Can't take the tunnelers.

You're not wrong, i tend to see tunneling a lot in general outside of events too. I would probably say just staple off the record and d-strike into your build to deal with it. Obviously not a great solution but it's one of the best i could think of.

The answer to bm and toxic playstyles isn't "get better."

Beyond that, if a killer wants you out of the match bad enough, they're taking you out unless you're incredible at looping. There is a question of whether they feel like getting just a 1k if you're very good at looping, but that doesn't stop the problem if the killer just feels like it.

And if you're a weak enough link on a team, there are killers who feel it's alright to make the match awful for you by selecting you for elimination immediately. Then once your match has been ruined, the whole remaining team has a 3v1 because the killer thought it was alright to do that.

The real solutions to this are implementation of anti-tunnel mechanics, incentives for not tunneling, and changing the community culture.

You can’t incentivize not tunneling. The devs have tried that by giving buffs and all that did was make it easier to tunnel. Tunneling will always be a zero skill tactic that doesn’t require perks or add ons to be run to be effective. All incentivizing does is increase tunneling by giving them more tools to do it faster, especially since so many killer mains aren’t looking for fair or challenging matches. They’re just looking to win as quick and easy as possible.

The only way tunneling will stop is when it’s PUNISHED period. Punish it and give buffs elsewhere to compensate for taking away the effectiveness of the tunneling playstyle. Until that happens, nothing will change.

Ive been forced to run DS, off the record, unbreakable, and reassurance because I get more matches with camping or tunneling than not. Like I want to play survivor, but its so bad i always just go back to killer

Are you saying that making it so a person can barely participate in a game is not toxic?

I think we need to keep in mind that people want to actually participate in the game, and tunneling prevents that. Why would someone want to play as survivor at all if someone got tunneled out in every match, giving the killer a 1v3?

I wrote some big long message, but I don't want you to think I'm being hostile, and I'm sleepy, so I'm writing a shorter one :D

I think that even in this sort of game, we need to remember that other people want to participate and have fun. That's the ultimate goal of the game for everyone, to enjoy it!

So, while you're right that tunneling will get someone eliminated, it still does it in a way that typically makes the experience very negative for the person on the receiving end. Also, something something gens popping, 1k is alright :D

I’d love it if people stop playing survivor for this reason. Then when everyone moves to killer and killer queues are 20-30 minutes long, maybe BHVR will actually do something. The game is a 1v4 asymmetrical. That’s the way it was designed and balanced. By tunneling someone out and making it a 1v3 at the start, it’s making the game into what it wasn’t designed to be, and messing up the balance.

And honestly that’s BHVRs fault for allowing it. Unfortunately most people who game are not going to play games as they’re intended they’re just looking for the quick easy win to get their dopamine hit and feeling of power. Until BHVR decides enough is enough, the only thing players can do is refuse to play the game. I truly hope survivors mains start switching to killer.

I dare to say that most of the tunneling that people actually mean is like this:

More then 50% of the time where the killer tunnels in my game is because survivors unhook TO FAST you can hang there for 70seconds per health state yet people wanna unhook in 0,1 second in the killers face for some reason. What do you expect the killer wil do?

Or the unhooked person who is body blocking a hit for someone while on last hook stage that afterwards yelled the killer tunneled?

As a solo survivor i try to play as optimal as it can get but i see so many people just running around without a clue and i am not talking about people with 100h or something but even people with 2k - 3k hours that should atleast know something about the game.

Also some people also confuse tunneling with the fact they died first… but in reality the killer went to 3 other people first.

If getting tunneled frequently, then you should be getting tons of opportunities to practice in chase vs the killers you go against. Being eliminated first sucks, but you are getting a lot more time to practice in chase than sitting on a gen will give you. As you get better in chase, you're much more likely for the killer to drop chase vs you and go after an easier target.

Its not the answer anyone wants to hear, but its true. Trying to tunnel someone who is good in chase can be a massive time sink, even if they eventually go down. There should be gens flying if someone is getting tunneled, as the killer can't be both tunneling and pressuring gens at the same time (unless the person being tunneled keeps looping around an in progress gen, of course.)

Tunneling is effective when its efficient. It easily loses games when that efficiency is taken away.

That is a odd way to comment with saying don't play or do better? I had a match against a deathslinger who was proxy camping. He was hiding behind a gym wall. When the survivor came for the save, he waited until I was unhooked and as soon as my feet touched the ground bt did nothing when he shot me. He then pulled me close and even tho I was pulling away to break the chain, bt still ran out, and he downed me. So no, not every killer can be countered. When it comes to camping or tunneling. Plus saying don't play because killers play in a pathetic manner is just ridiculous 🙄 Behavior needs to change a lot of bs that goes on in this game yet they keep sitting on their hands

Maybe y'all just need to get good against slugging and tunneling. It's not easy for killers to simply execute those strategies. Everything has to go right for them for it to work. There's plenty a survivor team who could not care less about facing that. So you can learn to overcome it too. Your altruism matters way less in those scenarios. If the killer is tunneling, you can just rush gens, hook trade at the last possible second each hook stage, and 2-3 of y'all will probably still get out, as opposed to none. With slugging, as soon as you notice the killer's going for it, y'all can quickly move to heal each other, faster than the killer can actually down you, if you're giving decent chases. See, you can't just hope that the killers play nice for y'all, or that the devs nerf them. You have to improve as well which, reading the tone of most of the posts on here, most survivors don't consider.

And that's the smartest thing you've said, or could suggest: the killer needs reasons to spread hooks, or they won't. Killers are encouraged, not by the devs but by the game they've designed, to go for as many kills as possible with the least amount of hooks. It's why you see less and less killers with 10 hooks and 2 kills, and more killers with 2 hooks and 2 kills. Not only is it becoming impossible for killers to get large amounts of hooks before match end, they're beginning to accept that they'll be getting a loss or a draw at best, and simply play for the draw through camping and tunneling. Or a crazy all-out slug for the 4k, which doesn't work most of the time.

We came after Distortion because it was the #1 perk that encouraged selfish/immersed survivor gameplay. If the killer is alternating hooks to get 2 players out ASAP, who's he gonna see every time with BBQ? The 1-2 people who didn't bring Distortion. A lot of those people running Distortion would just use it to out-hide their dying team, and get hatch basically guaranteed. Even without those scenarios, it reinforced the idea that killer shouldn't get any info, which is the dumbest take this community's recently clung to. Whatever aura perks the killer brought, Distortion countered it. When Ultimate Weapon countered it, because it was screams and not aura, they nerfed it and made it aura instead. And in general, killer is really starved for very basic info that other games would give them as a matter of course. Killers basically can't hear survivors' footsteps, breathing, or injured sounds, and can rarely rely on scratch marks being accurate. So anytime they're tracking/chasing a survivor and don't have direct sight of them, they have to pray and guess where they're even going.

Killers don't, and have never had, the upper hand. That's survivors. The math of the game when all players are playing at least semi-optimal says that survivors virtually win 10/10 times. There's just no way the killer can end chases quick enough, or stop gens for long enough (we've long since abandoned that pipe dream), to beat the survivors before they're out. So I hear a lot of "There's no reason for survivors to play" all the time. My advice is for those people is to follow their own advice. If you don't like the game, just quit. Now, we don't like how the game is either, but we've got experience and vision for better game to back that up. Most people don't, and would instead demand that the game be tailored around their skill level (very low), with no intention on struggling til improvement like the rest of us have. That's not fair. And the sad thing is the devs do cater to those people.

It's my belief that the game will not and cannot improve until the devs realize they've got to drop those players. Stop caring about them, because almost all of them either play the game for 2 hours a week, or play at such a casual level that their gameplay is not dissimilar to a 5 year old playing it (not doing their objective, running into walls). Either way, there's a reason no other online game caters to those players. It robs the players who know what they're doing of a fun and balanced experience. If a player really cares, and decides to get good at the game, you balance around high level play, so that as they're improving they will reap the benefits of a balanced game. What's been happening until just recently is that the devs have (intentionally?) hid the bad balance of the game behind mismatches, through a bogus MMR system. Killers and survivors were constantly complaining of sweats they couldn't beat, especially the survivors since their solo teammates never improved no matter how much they won. Killers never got easier matches no matter how much they lost. They've just now tweaked the MMR, almost to what it was at launch (near perfect) , so that you're getting survivors and killers of you're own level. It's my hope that when they see that survivors just keep beating killers no matter what, they'll buff killers, and hopefully not leave solo behind either. SWF definitely needs a debuff or something, because you cannot balance for them and solo at the same time. SWF, and MMR giving mismatches, are the 2 things killing the game for us all, and in fact are tricking us into thinking things about the game's balance which aren't true.

As I have began to play more and more killer, I have seen survivors do things that had me go "Seriously?!? What are you doing?! Don't do that!". Like after I've hooked a survivor, I haven't gone away more than probably 5 meters, when someone unhooks them. You can wait for longer before unhooking. Wait at least till you don't hear the terror radius anymore before you go unhook.

As a killer, who actively tries to avoid tunneling, it just baffles me how so many survivors just throw themselves in front of me. They start to run immediately when they hear my terror without knowing where I am. And many times I have been accused of tunneling… Usually by SWF's who wear the same character and skins. Since us Killer players do not see individual hookstates on survivors, accidental and unintentional tunneling does happen from time to time. Are there players who start to tunnel intentionally right in the beginning? Yes, there are, but I can safely say that those players aren't majority.

But the fact is, if you try to play nice and fair as a killer, it usually means you're in a disadvantage from the beginning and there is a 75% chance that you will not get any kills during that game. Especially if you're going against well coordinated team or players who know what they're doing.