Slugging For The 4K - An Exaggerated Problem?

Hook the 3rd person and leave it to RNG.

The killer chooses to slug, not the survivor.

In situations like the one you've described, a survivor might try to hide because it is the only thing they can do. That is just how the survivor role is designed.

As a killer, however, I usually just take the 3k because that is already a victory. It doesn't really matter if the last one gets lucky with the hatch, I've already won the game.

Slugging for the 4k is just unnecessary.

Lord am tired of the same thing over and over, as the person above says the killer has the ability to progress the game by hooking all the down survivors if its all 4 slugged or incase of 1 v 2 down the killer can hook the third getting an automatic win of a 3k. I do not get why this need to be in every topic and why some who claims themselves survivors wanna seem to defend killers who do this.

Who says a 3k isn't a win?

You, the team of 1 killed 3 out of 4 of your opponents through whatever way. Thats over half the survivors, you clearly demonstrated your better than their group, you more than likely racked up a ton of bp compared to the dead ones and probably the one who got away, your mmr increased if you care about that. At worst a survivor whos an arse got out and is trying to get a rise out of you or your trying for adept achievement and missed this one.

The difference is that the killer can end the standoff without any problems whatsoever, because they have already won. The survivor can't.

If they don't hide for the hatch, they die. Both sides have their roles but the decisions they have to make are different, with different impacts. They are not always comparable.

Again - the fact that people will sit on hatch or in the gates to force the killer watch them leave shows that clearly survivors don't consider 3k a loss - otherwise why gloat?

Because unfortunately toxic players exist, in both sides. I've recently had a killer call me and the other survivors "pathetic" when they couldn't get a single a kill. I've had one Trapper player complain endlessly about gen rushing when he didn't even try to patrol the gens, just spent the entire game chasing Renato and still failed to kill him.

I've also had to endure a lot of toxicity from survivors recently because I've been playing Skull Merchant.

Every game and fandom has its fair share of toxic individuals.

people have BM'ed me in chat after games where I got every result from intentionally never trying to get a hit (and thus a 0k) to a 4k. it has nothing to do with the result they got and everything to do with their mindset going into the endgame and a little bit of how they perceived you to be playing. They're doing that specifically to annoy you, either because they just entered the game angry, or they thought you were trying to make the game unfun (often because they entered the game angry).

It's the same as a killer who humps a slug on the ground; or tries to bleed out survivors for 4 minutes, but then when he sees the survivors have given up and are willing to be bled out to end the game, forces them to do gens instead. (both of these I saw in the course of an hour last night on a survivor player's stream)

Why not use your 1 million aura perks or whispers or spies? why not hook the third person and proceed the game?, if you waste survivors time, you deserved your time wasted simple. Again killers has the power to proceed the game, stop acting as if its only a survivor thing only thing. I play killer at times and I do not care if the 4th get hatch or not. Every min of my time is valuable, so sorry am not that try hard.

Down and hook the first one you find, problem solved.

Trying to twist things around is not working for you, I literally said when I play killer I do not slug for 4k so read again.

Also I had times when its me and one person I make loud noises, alert the killer to me and point at the hook to hook me but they still slug me to look for the fourth person wasting my time, now give me a reason now for that one?

I get where you’re coming from but I think there’s a disconnect here. Slugging survivors “for the 4k” and then blaming the last survivor for not conceding doesn’t address the root issue, it just shifts responsibility. Survivors hidingfor hatch is a direct response to the way the game has gone, it’s the reaction not the causation. If on the killer side slugging is meant to secure a 4k then playing for hatch is just the equivalent strategy on the survivor side. Both tactics prolong the match but singling out the survivor for “wasting time” ignores the fact that the killer chose to create that situation by slugging in the first place.

A big part of the frustration stems from the lack of engagement for everyone else left on the ground. Slugging removes any chance for the slugged survivors to participate, and they’re just stuck waiting, unable to do anything. 

Playing a “bit mean” to avoid feeling bad about possible gloating survivors may feel satisfying in the moment, but it’s ultimately just encouraging a continuation of “mean” play from both sides. It just perpetuates the mindset that anyone who hurt them in a past experince can be used as justification for hurting someone else. Eye for an eye and everyone’s blind. It’s not always easy to be kind, I understand, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the right thing to do, even if it doesn’t feel as satisfying as revenge.

At the end of the day, the goal should be a game that feels balanced and enjoyable for both sides. Ruthless play might solve your immediate frustration, but it also perpetuates a cycle where both sides feel justified in playing “mean” leading to more toxicity overall. It’s worth thinking about solutions that improve the experience for everyone rather than just doubling down on what is generally acknowledged to be a very frustrating system. (Hatch included)

I’m sure BHVR is not going to disable slugging all together, (and they shouldn’t) more than likely it will be limitations or adding more risk to doing so (perhaps by proximity, as in the farther a killer leaves from the downed survivor the faster the recovery time or something along those lines) like the anti-tunneling or anti-camping mechanics. The only people it will hurt are those who rely too heavily on it.

I can tell you’ve been really affected by some rude people, and I’m really sorry for that. But those times those people were “playing mean” to you could be using the exact same justification for “playing mean” that you’re using now. And then it gets messy because it’s comparing and pitting people’s hurtful experiences against one another, and when you start measuring different people’s painful experiences and trying to decide who suffered more or whose pain is “more valuable” it leads to invalidation of feelings or experiences which creates even more resentment or frustration. And it’s just a very messy painful cycle for everyone.

I’m sorry, I thought saying “affected” was respectful because I don’t know exactly how you’re feeling, only that you’re feeling something, and I was trying to acknowledge the feeling without labeling it. Sorry if I upset you, it wasn’t the intent.

To try and wrap it up, I’ll try to simplify and better explain my perspectives.

Killer slugs 2nd to last survivor for 4k —> slugged survivor annoyed because they have no agency and feel time is being wasted —> killer annoyed because last standing survivor won’t concede and feel time is being wasted —> standing survivor annoyed that killer is doing anything they can to kill —> killer is annoyed that survivor is doing anything they can to survive

To me, It’s the same thing on both “sides”. And when it comes to preventing “BM”

Killer slugs 2nd to last survivor to prevent possible BM in hiding —> survivor hides to prevent possible BM of bleed out.

Both have faced frustrating BM that could potentially be done to them if they allow the possibility, therefore both try to deny the possibility.

You could say that getting bled out for 4 min isn’t as bad as someone hiding for 20, but that person that is hiding could only be trying to prevent being bled out for 4 min. If trying to “prevent that potential BM from Killer” is not justified, but “prevent the potential BM from Survivor” is justified, then that feels like saying that some “griefing” should be allowed because it could potentially stop other “griefing” that that individual personally deems to be worse. When instead, I think “griefing” as a whole should be discouraged and not defended.

I would 100% be on board with a built in aura reveal mechanic at end game if there are only 2 survivors left and it activates when they haven’t touched a gen in “X” amount of time. And I am 100% on board with a built in anti-slugging mechanic put in place to prevent bleed outs, or prolonged slugging, even in a slug for 4k situation. I don’t think it’s fair to be okay with one but not the other, as both can be disengaging and possibly BM for all players.

Anyway, I think I’ll end it here, as Im not trying to change your mind, only discuss the topic and I think we’ve done so to a good point, so I won’t clog your post anymore haha. Thanks for posting the discussion and giving your perspective. If anything I said came across as offensive or invalidating please know that wasn’t my intent. Have a good rest of your day/night! ✌️