Go-Next Epidemic Rages On

Survivors need comeback mechanics so you have reasons of finishing a match. For example, A Blight with Lethal Pursuer and wall hacking aura perks is not fair to verse.

Everything of survivors was nerfed so Distortion is not even a viable option.

Cheaters in general need to be delt with but also note that thats not a solvable issue. Cheating can only be mitigated at best.

DC penalties are needed because there are more immature players than cheaters playing.

Make DC penalties harsher and make reportable Go-Next button so you can report people for going next

iirc the Go Next prevention feature is still killswitched to this day🤣

False because the DC penalty system is to loose if we continue tighten it we will see less people doing it.

Its not abusable since the moderation team will be going over it and judge it for themselves.

You quque up at your own, nobody is pressuring you to do it. And you know that these Killers could be your enemys. But I will give you an example why "I dc because I don´t like the Killer" is a terrible take.

First game Nurse. "Nah I don´t like this Killer NEXT" (congratz you ruined the game for 4 other players)

Second game Blight: "Nah I don´t like this Killer NEXT" (congratz you ruined the game for 4 other players)

Third game Clown: "Oh I like to face clown, but my teammate hates him so he goes next" (congratz your game and for 3 players got ruined)

Fourth game Legion: "Nah I don´t like meding sim NEXT" (congratz you ruined the game for 4 other players)

Fifth game another Nurse: "Damn why again her?"

And so on. You would never find a match which makes everyone happy.

Banning Killers would be horrible aswell:

1. Quque times would go up and some killers would never get a game
2. How many bans should everyone have? 1? 2? 3? If they get 3 you could ban 12 Killers.
3. It would be abused as hell by bully squads.

It "could" work but I am afraid it will get abused to witch hunt killers.

As seen with Skull Merchant. Ofcourse she was strong and annoying but most of the players had no clue how she even worked.

Now people are demanding that ghoul gets the Skull Merchant treatment.

Imagine if some "toxic" content creator calls to arms to ban Springtrap all the time (Not because he is OP but he doesn´t like FnaF) Now a big chunk of his followers do his bidding and Springtraps are in endless quque times.

This community has a big problem and I don´t say it to sound evil or smart but many of Survivors and Killers can´t think on their own. And I will give you examples for these.

99gates to avoid bloodwarden. There was a time where bloodwarden was a threat but in todays Meta you barely see it and most of the time you know all perks of the Killer long before the endgame collapse. Still many Survivors are hanging on this advice even if the most players don´t know why.

Another example happend to me "Don´t cleanse against Plaque" While this statement is true to deny her her power there are some exceptions. My last game against Plaque was on Haddonfield and she had the Addon equipped that she gets her power when a gen pops. So all of us had been broken while she camped from the roof of a building the hook on the street. So i cleansed myself and unhooked my mate before he went second stage and got hit once but escaped the snowball. But after we made it to safety the other two mates gave up. Why do you ask? Because I cleansed vs her and now game is over.

From time to time it is good to follow your own logic and not repeated "propaganda"

Before someone says I only say things against Survivors… Killers follow the same scheme. "You must tunnel the first one or you can´t win" "Slugging is always better than hooking" These are in a kind right but not always. Think for yourself not what others tell you to do.

Being found first isn't a death sentence. Survivors that DC because of it don't wait to see if the killer will play in a way they prejudge them to play. They DC before being picked up.

The self-unhook changes are still in, unfortunately.

Bhvr just refuses to actually address the issue. They keep adding new ways for survivors to abandon and luck offerings still allow you to #########.

Ultimately bhvr wants to cater to a group of entitled people and it's frankly going to kill the game.

i dont see a connection with DCing and tunneling. the reasons people give for DCing have nothing to do with tunneling. reasons such as "dont like the map" or "oh pyramid head, dont like that killer" "my team mates are avoiding gens so why bother looping if no one is going to do gens while the killer is chasing me". people DC over anything and to blame it on tunneling being the core problem is avoiding the whole point which is people will DC a match they are not interested in playing if they are able to. stopping tunneling wont stop people from DCing over a map they dont like.

would you tell killers they should wait untill they are sure of whats happening…..this is exactly what many survivors are saying to killers. "its ok to tunnel when you need to, maybe mid to end match but dont do it at the start at 5 gens". this is telling killers dont tunnel untill you know whats happening and know you need to.

you say tunneling is expected which is why people DC, they know whats coming. If its expected and know whats coming, why bother starting the match? The know whats coming and yet they decide to play knowing this, then DC ruining it for other people.

I'm not excusing anything, to be clear. I'm trying to explain the exasperated, frustration that can lead to this behavior.

Because everyone can feel this, and killers describe the same feelings of hopelessness. If you read my first statement, I deliberately write it to be "side neutral" because "the match being decided in the first 2 minutes" is everyone's complaint.

People shouldn't dc, unfortunately, they are. And unless or until we start addressing some of those reasons they do, it likely won't get any better.

But, we seem to be incapable of addressing any of the reasons people get extremely frustrated that leads to this behavior.

And, again. This isn't intended to be a "one size fits all" solution. Petty people and petty reasons exist. But we don't get a "massive, epidemic level uptick in giving up" because people suddenly get more or became petty, immediately.

But addressing the core reasons would require change, and in some cases that change is absolutely unconscionable to some very, very loud members of the community, and the devs back down and do nothing meaningful about the problem.

As I said… I am not a friend of tunneling or slugging either, cause I am a Survivor main aswell.

The problem is the bigger picture of what could happen. The could is the important part.

I have not the exact time of how fast the fastest escape was. But if I remeber correctly it is under 3 Minutes.

Just the possibility that this exists and could happen to you lets some people go for such tactics because we all play to win at the end.

Let me break it down for you.

Imagine you are playing Doctor. You have to run to the other side of the map, find the Survivors, they pre run. You need 10 to 20 seconds if (that is important) they don´t loop you at all. You hit them and they get a sprint burst in a straight line. You need to catch up again and if they don´t loop again you get an easy down. You pick the survivor up and bring them to a hook and hook them.

This "easy" down (Easy because the Survivor didn´t try to loop you) took other a third of such a game even if I scale the numbers down.

1. Finding Survivor 20 seconds.
2. Catching up and hitting the Survivor 10 seconds
3. Catching up and hitting the Survivor again 10 Seconds
4. picking up and carrying him to hook 5-10 seconds

And now there are people who say "Well take your time and look if Survivors are really trying to Gen rush you" If I take time in this example with an easy to catch survivor which didn´t loop or predrop a single pallet more than half of the game is over.

I know these games are not the norm but belive me or not the 4 man slug on 5 gens isn´t normal aswell. If this happens the Killer has to hit 8 Survivors which could use Shift W while all other sit on Gens. If they don´t sit on gens it is not the Killers fault only the Survivors.

Is it ######### to get tunneld out while you team does exactly nothing. Ofcourse it is. But if and i speak hypothentical here "IF" you run into a team which does something you are not able to spread hooks and go for a friendly 12 hook.

I am honest with you I wish it could be different but all I see right now is that if the Killer goes for a 12 hook game and archives it. Than we would have lost in any other way aswell. Is it MMR fault or my mates which do nothing I can´t tell.

Even if a match takes 10 minutes there is barely time.

Remember I wrote a bad chase by the survivor no pallets dropped no windows used no saving attempts.

And the Time from finding them till hooking them is 40-50 seconds. Finding, hitting 2 times, picking up, hooking.

In 10 Minutes which is a long game for dbd standards there is no time to go for a 12 hook only when survivors are ignoring their objective.

Now imagine you have someone decent in chase or even worse someone in chase who has WoO and pre drops every single pallet. The time extends against you. Ofcourse you can say "drop chase then" but you won´t get the time back and you don´t know if the next survivor does exactly the same.

If Survivors have a little game sense they will let the mate which gets tunneld on the hook as long as possible. which buys them 50-60 seconds gen time for each hook state. Which are more than 3 gens of time if each survivor repairs a gen on his own.

I say it again I am not saying Tunneling is the must do for Killers. I just say that I understand that Killers do it because you can´t say if the enemy team is cranking out the Gens or is searching for boon totems.

Can’t be true because even according screwed data from BHVR that consider ping pong between two survs or other ways as tunneling it’s still less than half (40%) and even was dropped on few percents compared to last years.

It’s a lie basically claiming people DC because of tunneling and justifying people’s ragequit. And some people really want to find an excuse of their rage and cry behaviour that spoiling teammates experience first of all.

Stop playing along with their cries. BHVR never provided worthy punishment and thats the only reason. Such people should uninstall if they unsatisfied THAT much, instead of messing with MMR and spoiling game for others. This is griefing people shouldn’t find excuse or explanations for.

Also, no. I don't tell killers to tunnel. I also don't tell them not to tunnel. Because how someone plays is not my decision to make.

Do I tunnel? Not by default. Many of my matches I will outright ignore the unhooked survivor in favor of the healthy survivor. Only when the survivor side is playing like this is for money do I play less forgiving to mistakes and bad plays.

firstly, you making the same assumptions regarding people DCing due to tunneling i mean how can you say generally people DC with tunneling being the reason? are you psychic? although im confident i know the reasons because people actually say them in the post lobby or in stream like ttv players. i rarely see anyone say the reason for the DC was due to being tunneled.

tunneling has existed from day 1 of the game, it isnt a new thing that recently popped up causing a sudden DC epidemic. what is new is the abandon system and the new DC penalty system making it easier for people to DC, abandon and go next more often than they have ever been able to do before. This fits exactly what i have been saying, allow people to DC and they will. stopping tunneling wont stop people DCing over something else.

like you said people go into a match knowing they will lose at some point and they accept that when they start the match. people know they will probably get tunneled, they accept that when they start the match. they expect it, they know its highly likely to happen. dont like it? dont accept and play the match. you cant say "i know what will happen, i will play anyway and when it does happen just DC.

The reason tunneling still continues is simply because survivors refuse to accept that matches are too fast and will not have gen speeds nerfed. cant have it both ways….you want fast matches where gens can be done in 5min, sure, killers are going to kill fast to keep up, hence the tunneling. many killers have said they are fine with tunneling being nerfed if they have more time to spread hooks. i have said myself, im good with tunneling being flat out removed as an option as long gen speeds get slowed down so i have time to spread hooks, there is a solution but its survivors that wont accept they need to play ball.

it isnt a new thing that recently popped up causing a sudden DC epidemic

Never said tunneling was new. What happened a year ago was that the devs had actively changed the game balance in favor of the killer and announced around that time that they had hit their goal of 60% kill rates.

As a result, and by-product, of those buffs and changes, tunneling had also been directly and indirectly buffed as well. Especially since there's been no limit to it.

And about a year ago. Was when we first had the "go next epidemic" pop up

Now, it's happening again, apparently, just as the devs announce and start testing anti tunneling changes, then immediately back down and broadcast to everyone that they can't or won't be making meaningful changes to tunneling.

So, while people shouldn't dc, for people burned out by tunneling, they have been sent a pretty clear message that the devs have no interest in fixing the problem, and it's going make people more frustrated and feel more burned out.

Which is what I've been saying.

The reason tunneling still continues is simply because survivors refuse to accept that matches are too fast and will not have gen speeds nerfed

This is entirely wrong, and a completely false narrative.

We had an entire year, in the live game, where gens took as long as the killer chose. Those metas even had names:

Cobruption, gen kick, Overbrine, and 3 gen.

In some of those cases, gens took the full hour to complete and were still not done.

And tunneling only increased. But, to hear you attempt to paint it the way you want, you'd think that tunneling was eradicated for that year.

It absolutely wasn't. And we can take from that that tunneling had nothing to do with gen speeds, and isn't in any way "a response", nor would "tunneling get better if gens were slower".

That's not a hypothetical, or my opinion. That's data and facts from having that exact scenario for a full year of live gameplay.

Slowing down gens is demonstrably not going to reduce tunneling. If anything, we know the opposite is true, and tunneling gets worse when killers have more time to tunnel someone out.