Trickster Update Feedback

I have been playing Dead by Daylight for several years, and during that time I have used The Trickster as my main killer almost exclusively.
This feedback is not about gameplay strength or balance, but about the character’s presentation and direction.
The appeal of the Trickster before the rework was his restrained madness.
Through his sly smiles, quiet laughter, and the way his excitement gradually built up with consecutive hits, he gave the impression of calmly and confidently cornering his prey. When the S-combo was finally achieved and that tension released into manic laughter, it felt like a symbolic moment where the player’s excitement and the character’s madness overlapped.
However, the current version of Trickster feels very different.
Frequent taunting voice lines and crude laughter make him feel far removed from the previous image of a “calm and eerie star,” and instead give the impression of someone impulsive and rough.
The tone of the voice and the overall acting also feel significantly different, making him seem almost like a completely different character from the one I have played for years.
In particular, the following elements feel like they undermine the character’s original appeal:
• Frequent childish or insulting voice lines during trials
• The laugh during the rank-up sequence, which lacks the composure and elegance expected from a “star”
• The slot-machine-like sound effects during rank-up that feel cheap and break immersion
• Certain lines added during the Mori that feel crude and out of place
I have used this character almost exclusively for several years. Because of that, the shock of this change is very significant, and it feels as if the character I loved has been taken away.
If this version is implemented as it is, I believe I will lose the desire to play him, and my motivation to launch the game itself will drop significantly.
With this rework, it feels as though direct insults and exaggerated reactions have been emphasized over the quiet madness and mysterious charm that previously defined the character, fundamentally changing the aesthetic of Trickster.
If this new direction is something the team wants to explore, one possible solution could be to separate the newly added voice lines and presentation as a Legendary skin, while preserving the original voice lines and tone for the base version of the character.
By implementing it as a separate persona, it may be possible to respect both players who preferred the previous portrayal of the character and those who enjoy the new direction.
As a long-time Trickster player, I sincerely hope the team will reconsider parts of the current presentation and direction of the character.

I'm going to copy-paste the relevant parts of my other post about this update:

"I've loved Trickster since the original All-Kill chapter, but he has been consistently frustrating due to BHVR's apparent fear of allowing him the mobility and power he needs in order to be functional, especially with survivors as powerful as they are these days. This chapter was supposed to be Trickster's "comeback"… but instead it was a hard nerf to an already C-tier killer. On principle, this is insulting and I feel like I was straight-up lied to. And what makes it all the more galling is that the universal player response was that Trickster needs to stay at 115% speed and 44 blades, otherwise he ends up needing to hold W for 20 seconds just to get within blade range… and BHVR simply ignored us, expecting the key-jingling of an admittedly-cool Ultrakill style-point system to distract us.

This wasn't a comeback, it was a mockery."

This wasn't a comeback, it was a mockery. Especially compared to what survivors got— Windows Of Opportunity is still a problem, and rather than address it, BHVR gave survivors an even stronger new version of it.

Five Moves ahead, especially with the Cooldown-Increase, is not really a better version of WoO. Let alone that WoO is not really a problem at all.

Not really any different than he was before on controller. Track-style aim w/o a smaller deadzone to get more control out of the stick and with DbD's response curve is meh. If I feel the want to play an FPS character I will simply go play an FPS and not waste my time with this clunky thing.

Other than that, I'm not really a fan of how his personality was completely changed to be excessively hyperactive with his new voicelines but it is what it is. I fully understand what their target demographic is with this change + the style system. I feel old.

I tried him and I am having tons of fun. He is probably still a bottom half killer powerwise, but he is much more fun.

I know, this is probably an insane request but it makes me sad Mina won't get additional cosmetics and isn't a full fledged killer. Please do the right thing and make her a separate one from the trickster. 😀

It's not bad, but I feel like Trickster, who was B-tier alongside Wesker, has been demoted to C-tier.

This is the same feedback as before. Please increase his movement speed and slightly increase his ammo capacity when he ranks up.

I bet she gets some other costumes somehow.

at this point they really should just make her a separate killer.

Her run/walk animation isn't an exact copy and paste from Trickster, they're just very similar.

Still, it make sense for her to act like Trickster, since MiNA in the lore is an AI, the type only seen in a sci-fi. She's a virtual idol (similar to something like Hatsune Miku) who's based off of Trickster directly, who mimics his behavior and style, since she was created with the intention of replacing him. However she eventually gain sentience and goes rogue.

I'm just gonna start off by saying I HATED Trickster.

Never enjoyed playing as or against any, but this recent "rework" got me intrigued. So I booted up the game, purchased him and loaded into a couple of matches.

It took some getting used to but eventually I started to improve and even got a couple of wins. Then, those couple of wins turned into one sided matches where I barely managed to down let alone injure Survivors.

This was due to numerous reasons;

• Maps that are a little too big and contain too much clutter / Indoor maps with LOS blockers.
• The same META perk 4 stacks / SWFs
• And overall just rust from not playing the game for a while.

But the most egregious of all is the utilization of the most braindead tactic of Shift + W.

Reading through this forum, it is simple enough as to what needs to change.

Increase his movement speed to 115% / 4.6 m/s.

Additionally if possible, though I'm not sure how popular this idea would be, is the lowering of his Terror Radius / "Lullaby" as it alerts Survivors way too early which allows them to pre-run away.

The main thing and Im sure youve seen as many have said it is how effective just holding W. During chase it makes sense considering his counterplay is going behind cover, and bringing his laceration down to 6 while also making him 115 would simply not be enjoyable to go against since now he gets his cake and eat it too

So what I would propose to keep him being able to deal with situations like this, is make him 115% but the moment someone gains a stack of laceration he goes down to 110. That way he deals with people pre running while staying at that slower movement speed exclusively in chase. (Also helps him whenever he doesnt have any knives)

Blade decay is faster, and his movement speed gets even slower the more you're throwing, so decay is happening faster than hits are possible around obstacles (made worse because his base movement speed is so slow). You can't really justify kicking generators because it takes so long to get to them and back into chase because of the movement speed. And also what is there to justify the slowdown in his speed? He doesn't have mobility, he doesn't have passive slowdown, his projectiles aren't as lethal. He's an m1 killer with a little spice so the 4.4 affects him as much as it would affect any other basic killer. I think that's what it stacks up to the most - there just isn't anything to justify why he should be 4.4, so now he is just slow and difficult to keep up momentum with

The PTB version of Cut Thru U Single was really just a permanent haste effect for 80% of the match. It was unhealthy much for the same reason as old MFT and it couldn't go live in that state

The main issue is not Trickster being 4.4, it's the maps that makes 4.4 killer miserable: Ormond Resort and both Yamaoka maps are very large and a killer with no good mobility just struggles on these maps because it takes them forever to make it from A to B or they even have to give up a chase when survivors ran to the other side of the map. Then, we have insane strong maps like Garden of Joy, Disturbed Ward, or Badham where loops or mains buildings are insanely strong and 4.4 really hurts because it takes to either get the hit or pallet - or in case of Badham to reach the survivor because sometimes you get insanely long fences where the survivor can loop you for a while and there is nothing you can do. Next, maps such as the new one, Midwich, or RPD are just great holding W maps and that's already great for survivors to waste a lot of killer time for free.

So, 4.4 Trickster himself is fine because it enables a better power balancing, the main issue are unbalanced maps where also many other killers just straight up strggle.

I mean...a ranged killer that suffers almost no penalty for missing his power maybe shouldn't also have 115 movement speed

Cut Thru U Single 

When reaching a new Style Rank, adds a stackable 1% Haste bonus. All stacks last until Style Rank decreases by any means.

It literally has a drawback "All stacks last until Style Rank decreases by any means", and besides people can easily make generational distance on the trickster by simply pre running even with the add on, as he is SLOW now and was SLOW in the PTB when this add on existed. If he were 115 I wouldn't really care about the rest of the nerfs but everything combined is just too much.

Overall Trickster feels more fun, but he feels much weaker mainly because he is 110 now and the new map is pre run hold W central, especially with exhaustion perks.

There are 2 ways I'd buff/tweak trickster to fix this.

1.
Increase the Laceration Decay Delay as it is still incredibly fast.

Remove the speed penalty entirely when throwing consecutive knifes or heavily reduce it at least. (Alternate option is give a bit more knives base kit maybe like 40)

Remove the 44 Meter terror radius in main event, it HEAVILY nerfs his big power up mode that he has to work hard to get and just makes the info and strength you get from S tier even weaker because survivors just pre run you from even earlier as they hear you terror radius and basically makes it a MUST to have undetectable perks to play around S tier which doesn't feel great having to rely on a perk to cancel out an unnecessary downside. Esp when even killers like Blight Billy and Wesker all have a smaller terror radius than 44 meters and they are 115 movement speed killers.

2.
My second option if you don't want to have to keep fine tuning all of these values and making changes, is make Trickster 4.6m/s again. Because of the movement speed reduction introduced in this update for trickster's move speed while throwing knives you don't really need to keep him as a 110/4.4m/s killer. If he is still moving slower than the survivor while throwing knifes, it shouldn't matter how fast he moves when he is just walking after a survivor trying to catch up to get LOS on them. Cause then he is just 110 and has to spend forever doing the catch up/ walking simulator gameplay which is incredibly boring for both sides imo.