SWF is cheating
Specifically using third party chat. Including Ps4/XBones party chat options.
It is not fair, or balanced. It is frustrating, and survivors acting toxic makes it even worse.
It's like playing with 5 extra perk slots. Full totem knowledge, always know where the killer is, full gen awareness, hatch location, etc.
It's easy mode for survivors, and it's 100% cheating. The devs have said as much in the past.
My solution.
Any chat third party software detected means no lobby for you. Bypassing this is a perma-ban.
More survivor emots for better FAIR communication.
Add an icon above survivors heads in the lobby that lets the killer know they are SWF. (The killer should have the option to avoid toxicity)
Killers get double BP for playing against SWF. This not only gives incentive for killers to play against SWF, but it makes dealing with toxic jerks a little less BS.
A 1.5 second cooldown on the crouch button to finally stop toxic teabagging.
Clicking you flashlight more than two times within 0.8 seconds breaks your flashlight. Or a 0.8 second cooldown on clicking the flashlight.
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You forget that some players aren’t actually toxic when they play SWF and just want to chat with their friends as they play, right..?
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Behaviour has no way of policing your use of other programs that aren't modifying the game files. Attempting to do so would probably violate their platform agreements at best, and get tagged by AV programs as a virus at worst. How people don't understand this, I'll never know.
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Making survivor names insvisible in the lobby would solve swf problem a little bit because randoms would not team up, but you can't stop people from playing with friends because they would give up and play civ.
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Maybe that's a good thing. Flush the toilet, and let the clean water flow in.
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Also, anecdotally, no SWF group I've been a part of has ever been as omnipotent and well-organized as the OP is suggesting. It's more like:
"Killer's chasing me, go do gens."
"Is he over there?" "I think so."
"Gen is almost done, go find a door. Wait he's on me, never mind."
"Over here." "Where? I don't see you, I'm not running Bond." "Dammit just a sec." "Is that you?" "Yeah."
"Just lost a Distortion stack, so... BBQ."
"He totally has BBQ, he just beelined toward me." "I didn't lose a Distortion stack though." "Were you too close?" "Maybe." "Well I'll hide in a locker next time to be safe." "I dunno man, I don't think he has BBQ. Maybe he just knows what he's doing." "God dammit I'm down."
Now, like I've said elsewhere, I feel like the game does need to be balanced around comms because people are using it. And some SWF groups are just out to be toxic bullies, which is the big problem. Not every single SWF is the A-Team though.
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salty
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Sick of the cheating.
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Enforcing this is literally impossible, and the devs allow this. Their official discord has voice channels for SWF groups.
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i play with some of my friends and honestly, i die with them more than i die in solo ques, we just mess around so hard the killer takes advantage of that, a little cool idea i had is to make it so at the end of the game when you view the leader board, little entity claws cover the names of the players that are swf.
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Third party programs are only at risk if they are not authorized by us. We have stated in the past that voice chat is okay to use. As a result, voice chat is not cheating.
But assuming it was, how would we enforce this? How can you prove that people aren't communicating with their phones, or by playing in the same room as one another? You would end up in a mess of finger pointing and there is absolutely no way to prove it. We would be banning people purely on speculation, and that is not something we want to do.
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Right, but a solo player who rats you out is an ass hat isn't cheating or working with the killer isn't? if people knew people were doing swf, there would never ever be games due to lobby dodges
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Add voice coms in game. Balance game around voice coms.
I personally only play solo or duo survivor and duo already feels like cheating with all the information we can share.
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LOL!!!!!!! okay, any solo surv can message anyone, even if they don't except chat, you can send a message via friends and there you can tell people about things that is going on, sure it takes longer, but going in a locker one can do it, so isn't that cheating too? or using a mobile? that IS cheating too
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The biggest difference is in swf, "Who is closest to rescue the random?"
When everyone is solo, everyone or noone tries to rescue the random.
I am that random that nobody rescues.
This is why solos end up as killers.
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Just literally had 5 matches in a row SWF, and got my ass kicked every time. Each team practically had tool boxes, BT, MOM, Adrenaline, Insta-heals,OoO, and sprint burst. Clearly they we're using mics too So, how do you counter that I guess is my question. I'm not complaining, but I would like a seriously rational explanation on how in the hell to counter that? And [bad word] your get good and play better. I'm trying with what I've got!
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Livestream #6?
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1) Developers are actually not allowed to disable party chat for their games on Xbox. IIRC only 1 or 2 games have ever been able to do this, one was a COD game I forget what the other was. But both were high end AAA games where the developers had a lot of sway over MS and therefore were given special permissions. Also, it was removed it later games so it's not even relevant now.
2) Well if we are playing on PC and all third party apps are disabled, lemme just use my phone to start up a chat and OOF there goes the neighborhood. But seriously, this is what people would resort to and you have absolutely no way to monitor this.
3) It's not cheating. It's unfair, yes, but not cheating. From my experience on Xbox at high ranks, literally every game is SWF. Mostly 2 man, but also 3 or 4 man. It is very rare to get 4 solo's at high ranks on Xbox. How do you beat this? Well you play like an absolute dick. Yep, just play like a dick. Ignore any aspect of fun, take every advantage you can, do anything in your power to win. Tunnel, camp, slug, OP add-ons, whatever. Sucks but it does work. I've done it and have had it done to me and my SWF groups. You can't play fair against SWF. They may curse you out but that's how you beat them.
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Think of a better solution, you're the ones who develop the game! Killers have been complaining about SWF and party chat for months and have every right too. It is so unbalanced and anyone who tries denying it is a fool.
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Just because they develop the game doesnt mean they can police what sony does with their party system (as explained above). Every thread i see talking about swf all seem to forget that (again) NOT ALL SWF ARE TOXIC. The game would literally commit suicide if they removed the ability to play with your friends and many people wouldnt play anymore and guess what happens when a large amount of people stop playing the game? the dev company loses money & to add...killer cues times would double as there would be far less survivors to play with. See where im getting at? i dont like facing toxic swf either, but i just get better and better at the game when i face challenging opponents. When i do play with my friends, we still get bodied all the time by killers just playing better than us, and the more you play, the better you will get.
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Looks like voice chat isn't cheating after all. I Still think it's unfair. something should be done about it. something fair for both sides. Something Reasonable, and practical.
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Yeah, me and my friends like to mess around and sometime we don’t be all get away or none of us get away. I like playing this game more with friends than without.
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In my swf, we just play chill and be 1500% more altruistic.
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This is ridiculous.
"A 1.5 second cooldown on the crouch button to finally stop toxic teabagging"
"Clicking you flashlight more than two times within 0.8 seconds breaks your flashlight. Or a 0.8 second cooldown on clicking the flashlight."
Why are you getting so upset on things that have 0 effect on a games outcome, teabagging is literally wasting survivors time, they could run to another pallet faster if they just ran to it instead of tbagging behind a pallet.
Furthermore, if they "removed" tbagging, survivors would just use the beckon emote all the time & then you'd be here in a few weeks asking for them to remove the emotes as well.
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Yeah, people are always going to find ways to taunt the other side. Getting tilted by teabagging is exactly what your opponent wants you to do, so that you play worse. Just let it roll off your back, abandon the chase if you're not getting anywhere productive, and try to focus on someone else.
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The beckon emote means nothing. "come at me bro" is a lot different than "hahaha FU trash baby killer look at how good i am suck my D". Followed by a swift disconnect after you down them, or hate mail after they escape.
I want more emots. I don't think it's too much to ask for a little forced sportsmanship.
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Tbagging also means nothing lmao, I tbag campers for their attention, I'm certainly not saying "hahaha FU trash baby killer look at how good i am suck my D", that's all made up and in your head.
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Honestly, the best way to counter SWF on voicecomms, is by playing strong killers, like Nurse, Spirit, Hag, Billy, etc etc. They are strong against solos, but balanced against SWF. Its sad that we cant play our favourite killer at high ranks, only because they happen to fall short on the balancing, but thats the reality we live in. Devs creating a game around limited communication, and then introducing a mode that encourages full communication.
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@Chickenchaser I dunno what to tell you; poor sportsmen will always find a way. Always try to remind yourself that it's not your fault they're acting like jerks, and you cannot control their actions or their attitudes. For my part, unless someone was doing some exceptionally gross facecamping or outright exploiting or something, I will at minimum drop a "gg" in chat regardless of how I performed.
As to the really awful ones who, immediately in endgame chat, start in with all the "GG EZ EZ EZ BABY KILLER UNINSTALL TRASH" stuff... well, remember what my wife tells me: This video game is probably all those people have in life.
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😂😂😂😂
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That's a direct quote from a toxic survivor i've met about his thoughts on teabagging. so it's not just from my head. and i've got more examples from more toxic survivors. So it's not like it's a one time thing from one toxic survivor.
More emotes would give you the option to use something other than a middle finger to distract the killer. Maybe a fake injury animation, or something cool. Teabagging has always been a symbol for disrespect, and toxicity in MP games. Without exception.
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/yawn
I've heard the same tired argument for as long as I've been playing. You got an official response. It's not cheating. It isn't going anywhere. It's time to stop crying about it and adapt.
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Tbaggin is the act of crouching over someone you've killed, survivors can't kill killers and they also can't tbag killers, it just has been coined tbagging when it isn't ACTUALLY tbagging, but sure, get upset all you want man, nothings going to change and survivors will just do something else that'll upset you anyway.
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sometimes you just get outplayed, if theyre better theyre better, also you can just camp
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Read the thread. i've acknowledged coms isn't cheating. However it is still unfair. It's fine if you want to dismiss the topic. But might I suggest you ignore these topics sense you're so bored by them? I'm new to these forums, but I've been playing DBD for 2 years at red ranks. I haven't said anything anywhere until just recently. I've adapted. That doesn't mean I can't point out unbalanced aspects of my favorite game.
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It's good that you can predict the future so precisely you know what the devs will do, and what my reaction would be to new toxic behavior. You wouldn't have the loto numbers by any chance?
And you explained teabaggings toxic history. Instantly throwing your argument away.
GG
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Lol banning people for playing with friends will kill the game. Your only option is to grow up and deal with it.
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Welcome to the forums. Maybe this is your first time complaining about this particular issue, but it has been brought up many, many times before. But communication among players isn't going anywhere. This is a multiplayer game. People are going to communicate in multiplayer games. This is the 21st century after all. It is a complete an utter waste of your time complaining about this.
For the record, it isn't as broken as you or other killers assume it is anyway. 4 player SWF groups make up about 5% of games played. 3 player SWF groups are around 10%. That means 85% of the games you play as a killer have half or less of the players as SWF. In terms of efficacy of SWF, it does increase the survivability from around 40% chance of surviving to 50% chance of surviving. That is completely acceptable.
So A.) It isn't anything that can be changed and B.) It isn't that big of a problem in the first place. Time to accept it and move on.
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It seems like you are just trying to vent and stomp your feet about how you think the developers should try to police behavior that you can't get over. Not everything can be fixed by a game mechanic (like it's been said here, poor sportsmen will just find some other way to taunt).
You have to remember that it's another human on the other end, and they might be taking out their bad day on you, or they're just out to be a jerk for kicks. You really ought to work on how you react to those kinds of situations. They do not affect your life beyond the present moment of whatever specific match you're playing, and this kind of behavior also doesn't take away your ability to reason out a better attack plan than just CHASE THIS JERK RIGHT NOW.
It is not worth getting as worked up over it as you are in this thread, especially because that is exactly what these stupid players want to see.
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Give them a "trash survivors need SWF to escape" in the end game chat and watch the toxic survivor's rage build.
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I don’t know why the devs just don’t close threads like this one. Same with “ goodbye” threads. This is why these type of threads are against the rules in other games.
Make a FAQs put it on there, close the thread and ban for creating new ones. It’s pointless to even argue SWF. It’s not going anywhere. Toxic people exist on both sides. Just because you’re soloing doesn’t mean the killer will be much nicer to you.
Post edited by Johnny_XMan on4 -
As a killer main I always enjoy a good challenge of SWF. Yes there are the toxic groups out there but there are other groups that are good fun challenges. Just the other day I had a 4 player SWF group that was 2 rank 4's 1 rank 5 and a rank 17 VS my rank 13 killer. After a very solid game I ended up with a 4k and two followers on my Twitch channel because both sides enjoyed the game very much. Not all SWF groups are bad and honestly its not cheating to want to play with your friends. Just learn from how the SWF works together and keep at it you can beat them it just takes more work on your side but it feels that much better when you do.
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Devs have already given their stance on tbagging, they will be discarding any reports etc on it, gg.
Stop being upset over things that have 0 effect on the game, it LITERALLY does nothing in game.
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This is why I think killers should be given an option to toggle what level of SWF they're willing to play with. They know what they're getting into, and they should be able to earn a blood point bonus as a reward for accepting greater difficulty. Because let's face it, the larger the SWF team, in general, the greater the difficulty.
Here's an idea I posted on a different thread a while back in regards to the options killers should be able to choose from:
- Solos: Normal Bloodpoints
- SWF 2: +50% Bloodpoints to all categories, awarded post-game on match results screen. (Possible to have 2 SWF teams of 2)
- SWF 3: +75% Bloodpoints to all categories, awarded post-game on match results screen.
- SWF 4: +100% Bloodpoints to all categories, awarded post-game on match results screen.
Your match will include your selected option OR LOWER. If you choose SWF 4, you may end up with SWF 2 and 2 solos, but you still earn the 100% bonus because you were willing to take an SWF 4.
If you lobby dodge, you will be limited to only playing Solos for 15 minutes. This makes sure people don’t choose SWF 4 and then shop around for easier groups. The 15 minute punishment does NOT apply if you leave a lobby after waiting 4 minutes without a complete roster.
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Yes. ban everything you don't agree with. That's how you solve problems.
I don't want SWF to "go anywhere". My recommended solution might be flawed to some of you, but that doesn't mean something better can't be thought up.
The fact that you're all saying how many times you've heard other people complain about SWF should be a red flag to at least some of you. That alone should be enough to try and find a solution.
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"Yes. ban everything you don't agree with. That's how you solve problems"
the irony when you want people banned permanently just for being in discord/team speak etc what a joke.
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Take a break or try a different killer. If I'm in a bad mood I like to run Dr. Worldwide (Double Calm addons, Overcharge, Distressing, Unnerving, and BBQ/Coulrophobia/Franklins/Dying Light/Sloppy Butcher/etc.) with a Jigsaw Piece and 3-gen the survivors into submission.
Franklin's counters instaheals being used mid-chase.
Mettle Of Man is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I've never seen it proc once post-nerf (IMHO it was nerfed too hard but the perk was basically a free extra health state + OoO for cross-map teabags against M1 killers for playing the game. Absolutely crazy with Dead Hard, Deliverance/Adrenaline, Decisive Strike and an instaheal) but pre-nerf I liked to use One Punch Freddy (Freddy with Save The Best For Last, Play With Your Food, Monitor & Abuse, and Rancor) to insta-gib the Meta Of Man user after ignoring him for 99% of the match. Bypasses all their perks and items. Otherwise I used to bring a Mori for Ash Williams.
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@SenzuDuck Lmao I was thinking the same thing then read your response to that.
Double standard at it's best.
@Chickenchaser There is at least 3-4 SWF threads pop up every single week. Asking for SWF to be punished one way or another. Something that doesn't need to be punished for reasons that have already been stated a thousand times.
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They never said that using voice programs was cheating in that stream. They just admitted that voice communication would destroy the balance of the game and give survivors too much of an advantage so they didn't want it in the game.
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It's not cheating though it's just playing a game and talking with your friends in a party
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