SWF is cheating

I get that SWF is absolutely frustrating to play against when you aren't using a top tier killer. I nearly quit the game altogether because I got sick of 70% of my lobbies being SWF (I used to check Steam profiles). It's frustrating when you just want to play Plague or some other joke of a killer at red ranks but you can't because you don't feel like intentionally deranking that day.

That being said, this isn't a SWF problem. This is a BHVR problem and a killer balance problem. Making the game less fun for people who want to play with their friends will ultimately hurt the game overall. We need more mind game-able pallets at high ranks (which they seem to acknowledge). Killers need more mobility (Freddy rework is promising). We're moving in the right direction. In the meantime, become a Nurse or Spirit god and lose 1 in 10 games.

It looks like anything I don't like in a game=cheating therefore I don't like the fact that the killer kills me cheater!

I'm tempted to let killers just block anything and everything they don't like - survivors, swf, items. We'll see how long that lasts when their queue times are three hours per game.

Just admit you're a salty kid and go.

Agreed! Make sure to report everyone who uses M1 for cheating while you're at it!

Now that a dev is aware of this thread, can they say if they're going to balance swf vs killer? At least somewhat? Or is there still a 'swf is fine, the killer can just go jump off a cliff' type mentality around it?

I like how F13 does it. You can only hear others when your close or have the walkie talkie. And the killer (besides sense) can only hear when your close.

Then it's just a honor game XD

Me and my buddies always stick to it cause it's more fun that way

I'm not strictly opposed to survivors talking with each other, but it needs to be balanced (which the devs have embarrassingly failed to do so far).

Who chats when they play games? This isn't Pool or Poker, Idk but I've always liked playing in silence without distractions, rather be immersed in the gameplay.

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Yea, no one ever talks while playing video games, sorry bud but you're the minority here.

All of these suggestions you gave at first don't sound healthy for the game. Sure SWF is unbalanced due to comms but it would've been in regardless due to stuff like Discord or the built in party systems on consoles.

More emotes would be good for Solo Survivors as does the arrow indicator if they play in a swf but that in of itself can influence how the killer plays/dodge lobbies if they aren't all Solos. Resulting in longer que times for both that person and the group. It would take awhile to find a lobby with only solos when most people play in groups of two or four.

Bonus bp incentive and the timeouts on crouching/flashlights aren't a good solution as (as much as I'd hate to say it) it proves to be uneeded and a waste of development time. Just because people wanna play with friends and fool around shouldn't mean you get extra bp for playing a normal match nor should the toxic behaviors be stopped in animation as it wastes their own time that they could've used to get to a pallet/window and it happens alot where they overestimate how long they teabag to how far the pallet/window is. In fact, be happy that they're cocky as it will also make them play more cocky which will give you more times to get hits/downs from their cocky plays.

You also gotta remember, not all SFW groups are toxic/good. Its the few that ruin the name of many. You will encounter toxic sfw groups while playing both sides (being bullied and farmed as a Solo against the other three sucks) but that doesn't mean you can't win still. Toxicity doesn't mean they'll win, and getting annoyed about it mid and after game will just affect you more as you'll play worse due to it. If a toxic sfw group gets to you, take a break from the game or play the other side (i advise the first option, solo surv is hell and just as frustrating as playing killer sometimes) until the rage passes.

balance game around assumin survivors use voice chat , its not fun playing m1 killer vs good swf team , 0 enjoy in match o

or let us see who is swf its not that nerf like ######### why is that still not a thing

Consider all the problems spanning the history of humanity, all the death, pain, famine, disease and realise your complaining about someone teabagging you on a video game. What have we come to people

You know someone is just flat-out bad when they complain about MoM.

I've seen it proc once when I've played killer since the nerf.

Well you've already accepted comms isn't cheating, and while it is without a doubt an advantage that can be as big as the survivors want there's not much that can be done about it. Said it a thousand times before, but punishments, restrictions and handicaps are honestly a bad idea and pointless. Players that just want to chill and play with some friends will be put off, and the actual ~evil bully squads~ will just queue snipe eachother and drive queue times up for everyone just like people did before SWF was added. The only realistic options are incentives like BP modifiers and the often mentioned buff solos -> buff killers that need it approach.

And on "toxic" (I personally don't think taunt-like actions are inherently toxic, but it's subjective) behavior, restricting it is also pointless. Somehow find a magical solution that removes tbagging and flashlight clicking and people will just popularize something else to take their place if they really want. Maybe it'll be running in little circles, maybe it'll be pointing at the killer more often, maybe it'll be crouching and looking up and down to nod - and once enough people that play in a "toxic" manner adopt the new methods it will be percieved that way by killers that are bothered by tbagging/clicky clicky as well. You genuinely can't stop that sort of behavior unless it's bannable, which it isn't in DBD.

it would seem that you need to look up the definition of cheating

If you are the random in a 3 swf party - you are screwed.

It's not relevant whatsoever that it's done with third-party applications when there's a post from Peanits in this very thread explicitly stating that it's not cheating or anything near it. It's the most explicitly "whitelisted" any third-party thing can possibly be, no "use at your own risk" like with icon replacements or MLGA or anything like that, but explicitly said to be completely okay.

Go ahead and argue about the balance surrounding it, I agree that there's work to do there (and I support the buff solo info + buff killers that need it approach), but calling it cheating or "basically cheating" is completely pointless as it's obvious that their current stance on the issue is the total opposite.

You act like SWF is a coordinated SWAT team, not just dudes chilling.

Man....someones having a bad go as killer when they want to BREAK flashlights and add a CD to crouching because they take another persons trivial actions WAAYYYYY too personally.