SERIOUSLY Let killers Opt of getting que'd with SWF.

@Outland said:

Ok, lets take your points one at a time.

BHVR can not detect Discord, and even if they did could, they do not have the right to check that information.

Good point and wasn't sure since some have sneaky TOS/EULAS

So no BHVR can do nothing about Discord. Lets limit our discussions about the use of Discord to only that of SWF groups. Every other discord communication outside of SWF games, doesn't supply an advantage to the player, and is therefore a non-issue.

Ok but then how do you know it's a swf group, which as you admit you don't know later on. My point is that in quite a few of these threads the complaint is it's always swf groups when no one really knows.

Now on to your claiming that if they would talk around the fire IRL. Whelp from the lore, In trial after trial, the survivors retain nothing of their previous ordeals. Actually they sit around that fire until they actually for some unknown reason decide to wander away from it. Upon which they find themselves in another ordeal where they do not know anything or anyone. If they escape they find themselves back at the safety of the fire, until they wander off again. So no they wouldn't be talking because the game was designed as four strangers placed in a match who can either work together or not. Its up to the playstyle of each player.

**Ok that's something I didn't know since lore is sometimes spotty and it'd be nice if they had a section in game for that similar to where shop/daily/etc are at bottom of screen.
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And as a player of this game since day one, before SWF was even a thing, I reserve the right to keep the game installed and ######### all I want, because that is my right. And yes I'll dodge any SWF I suspect, and if they do finally decide that punishing Killers for lobby dodging deserves timeouts. I'll probably not wait around until the timeout is over, I'll just stop playing and play another game, because being forced into matches where I'm just a joke for a SWF groups to troll is no option. I'm sure a lot of Killers will do the same.

I don't think they'll do a hard timer but I see killers constantly dodging just because they don't like the items/group comp in solo queue. As I said before they then use the excuse that you beat them because you had to rely on your swf scrub friends. This when it was all solo queue and or 1 duo.

The hardcore Killers will stay, but the que times should be pretty brutal. Because survivor mains do not have the stuff to be a Killer main. They may try it and after getting roflstomped by SWF groups, they will not bother either. So the end result will just be a lot less Killers to provide lobbies.

I play Trapper and I get stomped on my killers at time regardless of the group solo or swf. I could care less what the comp is I'm going to try and kill them or at least scare the crap out of them. I've been congratulated for how well I did by swf groups when they've had me outclassed and out item'd before.

As far as queue times go the opt outs are going to have it a lot worse since with only 30% or so of the playebase you'll be lucky to get a match in 30 mins. That's a wild ass guess but you get the idea and what'll probably happen is that the solo queue survivors will get tired of being rofl stomped and either quit or group up into swf groups. Then you'll never get lobbies hardly at all and you'll be forced to either stop playing, wait forever or opt back in.

"All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all"

Thanks for making our point here, we DON"T know what is SWF and what isn't. That's why we are asking for the indicator. That way when we get rolled in a match we know it was because we plain old got out played. Not cheated by superior communication and seal team tactics.

I don't have a problem with knowing and have stated you either get told beforehand but if you still quit you should get penalized for dodging. But if you stay then depending on the size of the group you'd get a bonus. You wouldn't know how big the group is nor who was who in said group. But better bp and iridescents would be the reward.

But nothing you said at all, makes it ok for SWF groups gain such an advantage over the other players. Other then you feel you are entitled to.

I don't feel entitled to anything, but to play how I want once in game and not have someone say well survivors shouldn't have this perk or rage quit once they player sees map, champion, items. The ones displaying the entitled sense here not you per se but some of the others that want to know what perks everyone has etc.

In reality, I KNOW SWF is not going anywhere, but nothing you can say will convince me that advantage that SWF get by using Discord, is cool and above board. IF IT WAS THEN DISCORD WOULD BE WHITE LISTED.

Yet how many swf's are actually using discord and how many of those have mics that are actually working. I've played this and many other games where 1 or more people in a group either don't have mic or can't use it due to someone sleeping etc.While they can hear they can't speak and at other times people get phone calls and both mute and deafen the game.

I'd like to see killers get some rewards for staying but the whiny ones that rant and rave and act entitled get no sympathy from me. In fact they'd be better off uninstalling the game because in reality even if they get opt out they'll just blame something else for their bad games.

@PureHostility said:

All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.

This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.

The problem here is if it's 1 solo and 3 swf the killer knows instantly that that 1 person is alone and can focus them down and know the swf is probably going to let them rot. The killer can then focus on the 3 swf people. It'd be better to say that you have some swf people in your lobby but not tell who or how many unless it's a full 4 person premade.

with the mountains of survivor nerfs

LOL

I'm a survivor main and I hate SWF when I play as both killer and survivor and I don't like to play with 3 other people. But c'mon, saying it is cheating is a bit much. Sure it can be unfun when the survivors are just playing SWF to literally bully the killer and be toxic but a lot of them do it to have fun. It's a bit childish getting salty enough about it to post on the forums and to swear over it. Just accept it and move on to the next game. At high ranks it doesn't even matter if people are SWF of solo queue, most of the time the high rank solo players already know where totems most likely spawn and know how to unhook and do generators safely and don't even need to communicate with their fellow survivors in order to escape. I enjoy playing killer but I don't play it regularly because most of the time I get a 30+ minute queue time due to the high number of killer players in my region so I just play survivor instead but if I do get a SWF as killer I just play it and accept it if I get kills or not because SWF is apart of the game. Again, I personally don't like SWF because I think it can make the game unfun for the killer but that's life, you won't always get the game you want and you just need to accept that.

In saying that I do believe there should be a casual and rank mode where you can only SWF in casual mode.

Lord almighty I wish I never opened this thread xD If I was able to transfer the salt from this to RL I would have enough salt to turn Usa into a salt mountain

@PureHostility said:

@powerbats said:

@PureHostility said:

All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.

This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.

The problem here is if it's 1 solo and 3 swf the killer knows instantly that that 1 person is alone and can focus them down and know the swf is probably going to let them rot. The killer can then focus on the 3 swf people. It'd be better to say that you have some swf people in your lobby but not tell who or how many unless it's a full 4 person premade.

As I said, that solo survivor also gets information about SWF being present in his/her lobby, thus they can act accordingly, either prepare to play a game where they are the only solo one or dodge the lobby and find a proper game instead.

It doesn't matter if they know or not it still doesn't change the fact they're at a disadvantage and if they dodge it's just putting it on the next person. All that does is keep passing the buck to another random because some killers don't want to play against swf. If you're going to give a notification to the killer it needs to be a blind type like I said that the lobby may contain some kind of swf group unless its a full group.