What WOULD make you be ok with the ruin rework?

I think removal of "greats" as a bonus progression is a good idea as part of the perk. I would even want to say that if the totem is broken the regression thing still remains for XXX amount of time as part such a powerful perk's lasting effects or some verbiage. The spell is broke-- but it takes awhile to get back to normal type of thing.

I also think a fundamental problem with hex totems are they are so easy to find. They need to be more inconspicuous - like closer to the ground and less white.... so they don't stick out like a beacon... even when unlit. There could also be assets that look like hex's from a short distance away but when up close is just a pile of bones or a hallucination the entity makes survivors think they see a totem which isn't really there... but I digress.

also for gods sakes make sure survivors don't spawn right on the totem because i hate just leaving my spawn and walking alittle distance then BOOM then i just kinda want to leave because now im down a perk thanks to bad spawns.

Is it so much? I always thought the base regression for missing skill check was 5 %. But yes, that is what I meant, a bonus penalty for missing the skill check. Like Huntress' lullaby gives 6 % bonus regression at tier 3 if missed.

I'm very worried about how this change is going to effect me as a survivor. I'm brand new to the game; only been active casually for about a month now. I feel like games are over very quickly as is even when going against Ruin.

I'm specifically worried at the measures that will be taken by killers to win. I really don't mind going against Ruin at all. What absolutely makes a game terrible and frustrating is being tunneled, slugged, or just removed all together by Mori. Which I expect to see a lot more which will make this game far far less enjoyable.

I suggest a 10% change from two fronts.

Make the generators take 10% longer to complete.

Make the area of the map 10% smaller

I believe these small tweaks will give the added pressure needed to make the games more enjoyable for both parties and give you the result that you're looking for with the new Hex: Ruin rework.

This is honestly what I would've liked to see when it comes to a Ruin change. It's a nerf, but it still works in a similar way to before by depending on great skillchecks or the totem's destruction to be mitigated.

I never understood why the totem closest to the killer's spawn isn't designated the hex. At least it wouldn't be broken literally 20 seconds after the game starts.

That would only ensure it's destruction.

"Killer came from X direction, totem is there"

Hex: Ruin

The bonus speed you will get from teammates when working on a gen is significantly reduced, so instead of 44 seconds when 2 Survivors are working on a gen it could be like 60 or 70 seconds, also the effect of the regressing when the Survivors leaves the gen stays like it is in the PTB.

It could also remove the great skillchecks, but that could be a bit too much since the speed of the gens when you're working with a friend is slowed. :)

Add a new perk for totems that removes the risk of using totem perks and make them secondary objectives to the survivor.

Example:

"If a lit totem is destroyed and another dull totem is remaining on the map, Apply the destroyed hex on that dull totem in 60/45/30 seconds, This effect persists until no dull totems remain in the trial."

I am sure people would think to use Hex:Ruin+Surveillance+New perk+Thrill of the hunt to make totems stronger, but realize that killer would be using like 4 perks slots just to make totem perks reliable useful. I mean, if your using all 4 perk slots, you'd think that perks would do something. People don't have to break the totems to win, but if they decide ignore their secondary objective, than killer should be able capitalize. I think it would also allow other totem perks to perhaps get used and maybe new totem perks could be invented like having new totem perk that grants undetectable status for entire match until broken would be an interesting addition to the game.

One of the fears I have with current change is that a lot of survivors will play in something called Auto pilot mode. They won't really bother to hit great skill checks because they're no longer requires to do so. So what if Great skill checks added more bonus progression like 5% but generator took longer like 100 seconds. In that way, if people play auto-pilot and don't bother to land greats, than it takes longer to do generators and if they do, they get rewarded about same time as it is now so it becomes more of an optional skill.

• Nerf toolboxes + their addons
• Balance maps (much quicker than they're currently doing, don't do the visual rework if it means each map takes half a year to do)

I'm already fine with Ruin being removed (as it currently functions), I just think these things need to happen also.

Decrease the regression speed value from 2x to like 0.75x, and remove the HEX part

Honestly this change is bad for the game overall, because it hurts the low tier killers like Clown and Trapper and actually BUFFS the 3 top tier killers that have tools to apply pressure on the map.

This just enforces the 3 killer meta and makes playing low tier killers pure suffering.

Not only will you see the 3 top killers (Nurse, Spirit, Billy) more often, but killers will also start slugging / tunneling more often as well.

One upside about ruin -not- being a hex would be that despite being strong with surveillance it wouldn't work at all with some other good gen slowdown perks i.e. pop goes the weasel

Some may go for ruin + surveillance, some would combo things like corrupt, pop, discordance instead. So there'd be more variety, which was an issue the devs listed with old ruin.

The problem is gen speed in general. This Ruin rework would be fine if the devs acknowledge gen speed is being looked at as well. I think this has always been the issue.

I clearly know that this will have a bad end..

Make Hex totems unlit. That solves a large part of the issue quickly. Either by forcing Survivors to cleanse every totem (it's another objective right?) or else deal with the Hex throughout the game's entirety, which would give you your endgame strength.This will also teach new players why leaving a potential NOED totem untouched is a bad thing.

That and take away the stupid handholding notifications for anything and everything in the game. Back when you had to pay attention to the statuses of your teammates, the game was a LOT more tense. You didn't know if that insta-down was DH or that you were mangled and couldn't repair gens as fast. You had to pay attention instead of running on auto-pilot. That's part of the learning experience of the game, and it's taken away a lot of the surprise factor when playing as a Survivor.

I like this.

It would also be nice if 2-3 more totems were added to each game (maybe dependent on map size?), and hex totems were not on fire.

Not sure if this would be op, but if there were a few more totems, and none lit, survivors would have more urgency to break them. This would also help with gen speeds since survivors need to be doing another task, and make totem based perks more viable. The Hex perks would get a indirect buff, and survivors would more inclined to use small game or detectives hunch.

Have the new Ruin regress at x2 speed like it does now if only one survivor has been repairing that gen when the killer chases them off it (or they leave it for whatever reason). Increase that regression speed x3, x4 and finally x5 depending on how many survivors were repairing it before the killer chased them off, for example the regression would be x5 if all four survivors were chased off that gen, if there were 3 survivors chased off the gen it would be x4 regression. Have this accumulated debuff reset when one or more survivors start repairing the gen again. Just an idea, maybe it is too much. The current new Ruin doesn't have much "reward" for the amount of risk a totem carries.