😭 So many DC's....

Ironic because I play Claudette with Calm Spirit lol

1)"What you're advocating is, like I'd mentioned above, taking the ball because you're mad and BOO-HOO-HOOING all the way home"

You want me to read your novel after opening up like this? Are you trying to be persuasive? If so, why bother putting this at the forefront? It is frustrating having to be slugged at the end of games. That's not that objectionable.

2)"Do you think if all 4 survivors are getting ready to escape, it's cool for the killer to just disconnect?"

I feel like you're baiting me into something you can report like someone else has already done, but yes I do. To be clear I'm not advocating DC'ing. I can understand the impulse and I've never been angry from a killer DC'ing. If a killer DCs I am cool with it.

3)"When you can't accept the game and conditions as they exist, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT PLAY. That is the only reasonable, rational, and adult thing to do. You flow with the game established (even parts you dislike) instead of childishly abandoning it"

This is actually the childish thing to do. Kicking and pouting whenever someone points out an obvious flaw that occurs regularly is not a reasonable thing to do. Acknowledge that the problem exists instead of ignoring it, or argue a way around it. Obviously you cannot argue or debate how annoying being slugged is just so the 3k can be a 4k. You want people to stare at a screen for the sake of your meager pride. That's not fun. That's not fair. If there is a problem it should be fixed- not ignored as you would have it (for some reason).

4)"The whole idea of a game is a fun/light experience"

Exactly- so why are you ignoring an obvious and consistent problem faced by tens of thousands of players whenever they log on? There obviously needs to be a solution to this. And no, your "suck it up" is not fair for people who put time and money into it. You do not have an answer so you choose to essentially reject any answer there is. There is obviously a problem. You regard that people are DCing but fail to understand or even entertain why anyone would feel that way. Whether you like it or not it's going to keep happening and the longer you fail to realize why people aren't having fun with you the problem is only going escalate.

5)"Yesterday I stopped after hooking everyone twice when the whole match was ruined by yet another entitled child who felt getting downed makes it totes fair to DC"

The hilarious thing about your last paragraph is that you admitted that other people have mercy but you don't and you can't figure out why people don't like playing with you. You are not fun to play with. People don't have to like you. If you know you're playing badly it's not everyone else's fault: it is yours. You need to grow up and take responsibility instead of exploiting no-win scenarios.

6) " That's not sensible as any move, let alone the best idea."

"there's literally no point waiting."

Actually it is, by your logic and others, very prudent to just knock all of the survivors and let them bleed out until the second to last gets killed then pickup the final survivor before an ADR can activate. Not only because DS lasts a long time and I'm not a human clock but also because it means there is a zero percent chance of hatch if you follow that routine every single time. If you pick them up as fast as possible that entails a chance at hatch for one of the slugged people(which is the whole reason you slug the second to last player anyways-you've admitted you do this already). So far, everyone who is hurt by DCs occurring seems to think the idea of two or more people staring at their downed avatars for a few minutes doing literally nothing is supposed to be fair. I'm not sure how these horrible ideas of unfairness were inculcated but it is not healthy for the game or the community.

That's a great idea but AI is kind of complicated. I'm not an expert but if BHVR doesn't have experts either then they won't release that. Very cool idea though.

This is not a penalty. not in the slightest. You DC, you end up either giving the match to the killer OR you ruin the match for EVERYONE. You need a penalty that makes you "think" of what you did. I have come to see disconnects as an exploit because it uses out of match functionality to get a desired outcome in the match. be that robbing killers of points, hooks, challenge progress or even survivors for the same some may need unhooks for one reason or another, but by you dc'ing because you don't like the killer, or the map or what ever then that person can't get their stuff done.

Killer main, but play both sides (like 60/40 split) - My sympathies are mostly with survivors at this point. When a killer has a dogshit game on a terrible map vs stacked 2nd chance perks, it's horrible for sure and shouldn't exist, but those matches are FAR less frequent than bullshit unfun survivor experiences, Iri Head, Mori, Spirit etc. Boring as ######### experiences that you wish you'd never queued up for, I don't frequently DC, but I alt f4 hidden offerings unless I'm in 4 man (in which case we usually sweat and tbag, because honestly ######### people who bring moris).

Infact, in general, most of the killers we utterly destroy are the boring ones, which is definitely somewhere between 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 games depending on luck. Killer is Spirit/Freddy/Phead/Slinger? Chase interaction is boring af, just sweat gens, try and destroy them, get out to go next. Hard camping? Just rush gens. Mori? Definitely could never main survivor as someone who enjoys chaes and not stealthing, when the most fun part in a decent number of games is just holding M1 and destroying the killer because he wants to play boring #########, pretty satisfying too. If the killer actually picks someone fun, don't care about winning, just want to make it a fun match - point being that this is because there's no fun to be had when you're vs one of the aforementioned killers.

Feel sorry for anyone who mains survivor honestly, I've always seen people say stuff like 'try killer and you'll feel real pain' 'i feel so sorry for killer mains' - in my experience playing current dbd, the opposite is true for me, survivor is a decently miserable experience and some days I just have to drop it and play another game/switch to killer, as going vs a Spirit into Iri Head into a first hook mori is pretty depressing, yet I notice killers complain far more and it kinda baffles me.

You're right! That would be a quick and easy fix.

1)"You seem unable to tell the difference between apples and oranges"

No I'm not. You're going to have to qualify this because it doesn't make sense at all in regards to anything we have already discussed. I imagine you won't even explain what you meant by this.

2)"In other words, you don't like a certain situation at the end, so you advocated cheating as a solution to it"

I can't imagine what it's like to be you. So small that that most amount of power you could possibly hope to latch onto is misrepresenting all of someone's arguments just so you could get them banned. You're pathetic. Maybe you feel cheated, but I suggested that not everyone in that situation is cheated which is undoubtedly true since it does give someone the opportunity to escape. Secondly, a killer who slugs to circumvent the hatch mechanic should be construed as cheating. I'm not suggesting people should cheat, but obviously there's a reason people are DCing and you need to figure out why if you want it to stop happening. The fact that slugging to avoid a mechanic put in the game to help survivor's is being used that means that cheating has been made officially okay'd by the team and apparently is supported by the mods. It is not an honorable thing to do no matter what anyone says. I've done it before out of pettiness but it doesn't sit right with me still. Obviously there's a problem whether you want to admit it or not but the sooner you do the sooner we can have a real discussion.

3)"My advice, and this is given in good faith and not snarky sarcasm, is that you need to be able to tell these very different topics apart"

"You SHOULD start a new Discussion making suggestions on what you think would be a good idea for the end of a match"

"But the discussion in this thread is about the problem with people disconnecting"

Look at these three statements. First you say that I'm not following the topic, then you suggest I start another thread discussing on how to fix the game so people don't DC, then you say that this discussion is about people disconnecting. I'm posting the underlying answers to why people DC. That is why it is relevant. This thread wasn't designed so you could have a whining-fest about people leaving the game. We're punching past that and getting to the bottom of why people are disconnecting. It's not just one issue either. Ending crappy matches early in a decisive way without cheating people is only one solution.

4)"You made the mistake of advocating CHEATING. Apparently, in your mind, if you feel something in the game is wrong, it gives you the right to violate the standards of the game"

I said I have done it because I felt it was altruistic. I didn't market it, I just put my spin on it. It's how I feel. The killers that slug the penultimate player to override the hatch measure should be construed as cheating and I don't care what anyone says. It's putting someone in a painful situation just so you could squeeze out another kill when you've already won the game. The best game of killer I have EVER had was playing against a group and it was a tight match. I left one slugged so I could get the other and I did. But the one I slugged knew where hatch was and I knew he was close so I left the last guy down to walk over to him- but he DC'd. The penultimate player I originally left slugged made it to the hatch because his buddy took a five minute timer penalty and loss of blood points for him. It was an ultimate act of sacrifice in a tight game. I abused the hatch measures so I could get them all because I knew they were good. According to you, he cheated me, but it was such a bro-tier move I couldn't help but respect them for it. I think I left an impression because the guy that got away played with me randomly later as killer-using my same perks and my same devilface-classicrobes outfit. It's the only game I actually distinctively remember all the details of and probably the only one that I'll remember in the future. My point is that it may seem unethical to you but it is certainly not immoral even though you act like it is, and it is no more unethical than what I did when I tried to cheat them out of the hatch. If I got to replay that game over and over with different people knowing that I would be "cheated"(according to you), I would do it. Not telling you that you should in the case you think I'm still telling you that you have to do this. According to you I should be the victim in this scenario but I certainly don't feel that way.

"The absolute MOST childish thing to do is throw a temper tantrum and DC because something didn't go the way you want to."

I never advocated this. I merely said that in the situation of a slug-hatch standoff where the killer is slugging the penultimate player in order to secure a 4k and in the process screw the survivor out of the entire hatch mechanism, that it could be considered altruistic to leave the match and let the last player get the hatch. I say this because I was playing killer in the best match I've ever had and this is what the team did to me to get their last slugged player to escape. According to you I should be the victim, but I respected what they did.

"Generally speaking, don't DC then come back into the lobby to berate the person you didn't think played right. That's just toxic and inappropriate. If you DC, stay gone. Don't come back. You made your point, no one cares what you have to say afterwards. You took the cowards way out, just go away."

This sounds like you're speaking to a thousand other players that you have personally played with that aren't me. I've never done this, I've never said I've done this, I don't know why you would assume I've done this.

No the problem with your premise is you're screwing other people in the game.

No, I'd someone feels something is wrong, that does *not* entitle them to violate those standards. Otherwise I could argue I could murder someone because I felt they were wrong and violating my standards. That's not how society works.

"No, I'd someone feels something is wrong, that does *not* entitle them to violate those standards. Otherwise I could argue I could murder someone"

DCing is not the same as murder lol

And DCing so someone can get a hatch is like jumping on a grenade so they can live.

maybe that could work but it be odd new player in the middle of a game not knowing what going on.

Penalties were removed due to them being able to be hacked and give people who did not dc a penalty. and we aren't talking a single game that penalizes the wrong person but a specific person being given a 72 hour ban in a high profile way (since they are a fog whisperer and a high level streamer).

They HAVE brought up valid, just not valid in your books. you are advocating cheating, you are the one that the mods censured I certainly did not report the post. Stop blaming others for your issues. I have taken issue with your posts before and you have blown them off because you didn't like them. Disconnecting is cheating; why? if you do something against the rules then you are CHEATING. I don't care if the devs made a rule you ethically do not like but you can't say "If the killer walks sideways two inches then backwards four then runs forward 10 it's ok to dc" and then say well i don't advocate for people to dc, because you JUST DID! (yes that was not what you said but it was for an example) NOW here is the thing, if you break the rules, the End Users License Agreement you agree to EVERY TIME you log into the game allows those in charge to do what even is within the rules to you, and that includes removing your ability to play the game for a time or for good. THIS IS THEIR CHOICE not yours.

ALSO the underlying cause for the disconnects is not what you are saying it is, it is the fact that people decide (killer or survivor) they don't like something so they feel since they paid for it they can just up and quit. sure they can do so as the functionality is available to them, but they also MUST accept that they can be punished for it if behavior wants to do so. "I don't like playing freddy, I'll dc." "I don't like Ormond, I'll DC" I don't like blah, blah, blah. key is that they do not like it so they leave it. the only time that the leave match functionality is supposed to be used is when the game will not come to a natural conclusion (via sac/escape) so that you don't have to wait 2-3 hours for the match to be dropped by the server. It is not something to be used because the killer nodded at you, or slugged you, hit you on the hook, or that the survivors are tbaggin you, or played a map offering. none of these are reasons to use OUT OF MATCH FUNCTIONALITY.

"Your whole crusade"

There is no crusade. I was just pointing out reasons, especially one horrible scenario, that you and others support that leads directly to DCs. If you don't like it that's your problem. You keep complaining about how people shouldn't play the game because of the filthy way you play but in all reality no one has to play with you and if you keep complaining about other people not wanting to play with you maybe you should be the one to take a break.

"Whatever sly insinuations"

There aren't any. I told you why people don't like playing with you. Get over yourself.

"you still refuse to walk away at that point like an adult and simply agree you disagree with the standards"

I did that already in my second post. Then I followed up and did that in every other post sense then. I don't owe you an apology but you seem to think I do, which if anything is a brazen sense of entitlement. You're doing the same thing mound is doing- just repeating the same thing over and over again like a broken record without actually discussing the real points and problems that were brought up. The fact is, whether you like it or not, I presented a scenario where someone supposedly "cheated" me and I respected them for it. The whole point is that the game, by valuing altruism, has created scenarios where it is morally altruistic yet ethically considered cheating to DC. That's where the discussion was initially put at in the first place. Rather than actually explaining how to fix this or even acknowledging it- you and two just keep screaming cheater the entire time. Maybe this is my fault because you seem dysfunctional.

"I'm just going to repeat what I'd already said last time"

I'm not reading that. Everything you need to do to advance the conversation has already been repeated. If you don't like playing with other people and they obviously have a problem with you then you need to reevaluate yourself.

"grow up"

You keep saying these things that apply to you and only you. Watch this:

"GAWSH! I"M NOT ADVOCATING CHEATING.... IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLY NOBLE SACRIFICE!!!"

"OH! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!!!"

"FLIPPING THE GAMEBOARD OVER"

Complete with three exclamation marks. You sound like a child but you expect anyone else to take you seriously? You seem neurotic and you definitely need a break. Probably from internet interactions as well. Again, drop the pointless accusations and debate the myriad of other points that were put to you.

That's literally been you this entire time, you're doing it right now with this post lmao

But I have to say, I really like that you and mound get back to me within minutes of replying. I appreciate the expediency. Kind of weird your account was made in late 18' but you have only a few interactions, likes, and comments with this much activity.

"What you view as the underlying causes do not matter; they are entirely irrelevant"

I wasn't speaking personally. The very first post I made that told you why people might do it for altruism literally happened to me. I was the killer in the best game I've ever had when it happened. Tell me why I should feel cheated? I'm not saying they didn't break the rules, but if you can't grasp the underlying causes of why it happens then you can't even begin to talk about how to fix them. This statement proves that you have zero interest in actually figuring out the issue and solving the problem because those things are relevant to everyone and they should be relevant to you.

"You advocate cheating as an acceptable option."

Show me where I said more people should do this. I told you that it had been used for altruistic purposes and then gave you an example where people used it against me to demonstrate the source of why that comment was made. Obviously there's a problem with the game if people feel the need to DC not just for pointless purposes, not just for selfish purposes, but for selfless purposes as well. Now if you really find that so painful to hear then you can argue why that wasn't selfless and why I should've felt cheated when that SWF did it to me. According to you, I as the killer should have felt cheated but I didn't. That's just me personally. That entire point I brought up was just something that happened to me and I thought they were being selfless by doing it-which they were. I lost maybe 2k bloodpoints for him doing that to save his friend, he lost almost 30k. I get that if it were you, you would have video evidence a written,notarized hardcopy of your complaint kept on file with a triplicate sent to BHVR headquarters with the duplicate filed for possible future legal injunction for infringing on terms of service- but you fail to:

1)Understand why DCs happen.

2)Offer solutions for why DCs happen.

3)Attempt any method of offering or playstyle that mitigates that behaviour.

We get it. You don't like it when people quit your games. But really there is no reason for you to post constantly and say nothing of value. What's the point of repeating yourself if your only claim is erroneous(screaming cheater) and you can't figure out what's causing people the kind of distress you obviously have over it.

The biggest thing I hate is when the 2nd to last Surv DCs to give the last guy a faster hatch escape. That's not just poor sportsmanship, that's using exploits IMO