The 360 technique seems a bug abuse of the hit box

@pogo688 said:

@purebalance said:

@Brady said:
No

in real life you can dodge hits too... think about it a little harder and also understand game mechanics more..

In real life if a child rushes in my direction while I'm swinging at them since survivors are like children compared to the killer, the child is still getting stabbed. 360 shouldn't work. It's an exploit.

well i disagree why focus on real life when we are playing a game that is unrealistic doesn't have to be realistic you shouldn't go refer to real life and start comparing things with a "game" which is supposed to be different from real life (this game is made up not supposed to be based of off real life) keep in mind that also the 360 is not a bug its a way of dodging the killer it is only fair because killers recently received a lot of changes which play to their advantage whereas survivors got a 'NERF" including the definition of balance is to keep both sides stable and equal (balance each other out) not one sided.

There's next to nothing supernatural about survivors hence you can relate them to real life. Any of the speed talents are things that a normal person can do. About the only supernatural talents they have is aura reading. So we definitely can apply real physics to the game.

@MegaWaffle said:

@BACKSTABBER said:
Dont you guys agree? I think that is a clear bug and so ridiculous, just try in real life to move like that lol

I don't know if you have ever lived in a place where your daily commute is full of people and traffic but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I sure as hell "move like that" to avoid getting hit.

You move towards a person trying to hit you? Doubtful. Also you seem to imply that people are trying to hit you in a commute.

@Watery said:
It’s really not. 360’s are jukes. It’s not even a reportable offense, and it’s most likely your fault that you can’t hit them. Have you seen what it’s like to get through a pallet or window? Probably not, considering this was entirely killer based.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

They definitely are NOT jukes. A juke is moving in a different direction than they anticipate. This is hit box abuse not a juke.

@PhantomMask20763 said:
Well on pc it's perfectly counterable, on console though it really sucks because they basically have a free dead hard. Can't wait for the console optimization

Unlimited free non exhaustion dead hard.

The 360 move is really abusive and should be changed. It shouldn't be possible to do a 360 turn as fast as you currently can, which is currently near instant. There should be limitation in place - I think turning speed acceleration would help in this regard, so one can't just turn 180 degrees, and certainly not 360 degrees near instantaneously.

@nssBoB said:
on topic though gaming and especially PvO gaming is full of bug and minor exploits that end up regular mechanics. What is and what is not intended is irrelevant. What is relevant is what is accessible in the game we play and as long as it is not deemed bannable exploit (of which to my knowledge the only widespread thing was DHing on top of things that are not supposed to be accessible). Just play the game and wait for devs to sort out the stuff they do not want in it.

Thats why we're providing the devs feedback through the community, because it is things like this that should absolutely be dealth with and fixed, rather than end up as a regular mechanic just because people ignored it even when they felt it was actually a problem....and it's not just a minor few people who feel it's a problem, it's actually quite many.

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:
Basically yes.
Just like gentapping is an abuse technically but both are "acknowledged" by the devs

How is the movement of the character an abuse to mechanics? I don't see how there is reason to that point..

Because the survivor moves faster than he actually should.
Also the hitbox doesnt align properly with the character model, especially huntress suffers from that when she is trying to melee throw a 360ing guy.

How is non-movement of the character an abuse btw?

I'd actually would like to see proof that the speed of a Survivor surpasses the limit of ** 100%MS** when performing a 360. (Moving your camera one way while moving your character the other in a 360 degree circle)

Could you provide proof that or are you just making that first part up?

You might be right about the hitboxes not lining up... but I mean, I found if you just swing (not lunge) you're most likely to hit them as they do align up the hitboxes at some point. if we're talking about broken hitboxes, what's with those active hitboxes aren't pallet stuns and window vaults? Off topic, but still relevant.

Huntress hitboxes are already broken, so it's irrelevant to the current data. Why hatchet a melee-ranged 360ing guy?

I mean 360 hitboxes aren't broken like The Billy's chainsaw to a Sprint Bursting Survivor yet it's being perceived that you're implying they are. Maybe explain a little for me to understand better?

Take one of those "360 tutorial" youtube videos and a video of a sprinting survivor next to each other.
Run both in slow motion and observe how the 360ing survivors moves faster on your screen than the sprinting one

.... you're kidding right

Nope im dead serious

"Please use your own judgement and observation to determine such" is NOT proof. What meets the eye can seem entirely different. The fact that you're dead serious makes entirely what you said unreliable.

Discussion over from my end.

That why I said, run it in slow motion

What kind of proof do you want? Guess we will have to wait until we get a police killer with a speedometer then

It’s literally impossible. In the code it locks sprint speed to 100% unless a modifier present. (Like sprint burst). It just seems faster because being able to 360 breaks the laws of physics, so it doesn’t look normal. You’re comparing it to real life

@Jack11803 said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:

@Brady said:

@Master said:
Basically yes.
Just like gentapping is an abuse technically but both are "acknowledged" by the devs

How is the movement of the character an abuse to mechanics? I don't see how there is reason to that point..

Because the survivor moves faster than he actually should.
Also the hitbox doesnt align properly with the character model, especially huntress suffers from that when she is trying to melee throw a 360ing guy.

How is non-movement of the character an abuse btw?

I'd actually would like to see proof that the speed of a Survivor surpasses the limit of ** 100%MS** when performing a 360. (Moving your camera one way while moving your character the other in a 360 degree circle)

Could you provide proof that or are you just making that first part up?

You might be right about the hitboxes not lining up... but I mean, I found if you just swing (not lunge) you're most likely to hit them as they do align up the hitboxes at some point. if we're talking about broken hitboxes, what's with those active hitboxes aren't pallet stuns and window vaults? Off topic, but still relevant.

Huntress hitboxes are already broken, so it's irrelevant to the current data. Why hatchet a melee-ranged 360ing guy?

I mean 360 hitboxes aren't broken like The Billy's chainsaw to a Sprint Bursting Survivor yet it's being perceived that you're implying they are. Maybe explain a little for me to understand better?

Take one of those "360 tutorial" youtube videos and a video of a sprinting survivor next to each other.
Run both in slow motion and observe how the 360ing survivors moves faster on your screen than the sprinting one

.... you're kidding right

Nope im dead serious

"Please use your own judgement and observation to determine such" is NOT proof. What meets the eye can seem entirely different. The fact that you're dead serious makes entirely what you said unreliable.

Discussion over from my end.

That why I said, run it in slow motion

What kind of proof do you want? Guess we will have to wait until we get a police killer with a speedometer then

It’s literally impossible. In the code it locks sprint speed to 100% unless a modifier present. (Like sprint burst). It just seems faster because being able to 360 breaks the laws of physics, so it doesn’t look normal. You’re comparing it to real life

The code has a maximum sprinting speed.

The problem however is that in DBD if you turn, you dont turn on a point, you somehow slide on a point. This is why you are actually able to cover distance doing 360s, otherwise it would be completely pointless because the killer would just see you standing at a point turning and the actual juke wouldnt be possible.

Did you do what I asked you for? Check the insane speed of a 360 in slow motion and compare it to simple runing.

@lyric said:
purebalance said:

@Watery said:

It’s really not. 360’s are jukes. It’s not even a reportable offense, and it’s most likely your fault that you can’t hit them. Have you seen what it’s like to get through a pallet or window? Probably not, considering this was entirely killer based.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

They definitely are NOT jukes. A juke is moving in a different direction than they anticipate. This is hit box abuse not a juke.

If you can’t hit someone right there you just suck there is no other excuses for making a 360 cry thread , I guess everything else to cry about has been taken away so we have to grip on to this and go with it 

No you're abusing broken mechanics aka exploits. You're the one that sucks having to exploit bad mechanics. Don't cry when you get camped if you use this "fine method" because I guess you were bad and deserve to get camped at that point.

purebalance said:

@lyric said:
purebalance said:

@Watery said:

It’s really not. 360’s are jukes. It’s not even a reportable offense, and it’s most likely your fault that you can’t hit them. Have you seen what it’s like to get through a pallet or window? Probably not, considering this was entirely killer based.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

They definitely are NOT jukes. A juke is moving in a different direction than they anticipate. This is hit box abuse not a juke.

If you can’t hit someone right there you just suck there is no other excuses for making a 360 cry thread , I guess everything else to cry about has been taken away so we have to grip on to this and go with it 

No you're abusing broken mechanics aka exploits. You're the one that sucks having to exploit bad mechanics. Don't cry when you get camped if you use this "fine method" because I guess you were bad and deserve to get camped at that point.

@Watery said:
purebalance said:

@lyric said:

purebalance said:

@Watery said:

It’s really not. 360’s are jukes. It’s not even a reportable offense, and it’s most likely your fault that you can’t hit them. Have you seen what it’s like to get through a pallet or window? Probably not, considering this was entirely killer based.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.



They definitely are NOT jukes.  A juke is moving in a different direction than they anticipate.  This is hit box abuse not a juke.

If you can’t hit someone right there you just suck there is no other excuses for making a 360 cry thread , I guess everything else to cry about has been taken away so we have to grip on to this and go with it 

No you're abusing broken mechanics aka exploits. You're the one that sucks having to exploit bad mechanics. Don't cry when you get camped if you use this "fine method" because I guess you were bad and deserve to get camped at that point.

Well, you see... I’m not bad if I do 360’s. It’s your fault you can’t hit them! It’s very easy, you just have to learn. Don’t go pointing fingers without valid evidence, and maybe, if you understood what lunge range and stuff like that is, you’d have an easier time. It’s not my fault that you can’t hit me. It’s yours.

Yes you are bad because you're acknowledging that you're abusing something that is broken. Whether they accepted it or not it's a sign of being bad like camping.

You 360 me I camp you and there should be no complaints on that.

@powerbats said:
@marth88gaming Perhaps you can explain this to the people that just refuse to accept that they need to adjust their gameplay instead of blaming it on a survivor outplaying them.

360 isn't outplaying. I guess standing on inaccessible blocks is just outplaying right?