to all people saying "nurse basekit is fine"
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"Look Nurse is OP, nobody can loop this killer"
Me:"You shouldnt loop Nurse, you should play stealthy"
"What is stealth?"
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Imagine you put a killer with 5k+ hours experience into a lobby against some random solo survivors who are mediocre at best while using the strongest killer in the game. Yeah, really good example.
Just watch Marth88s depip squad dominating nurses.
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It is funny how a lot of people here refused to take the video as an example of how broken the nurse is because “the player is too good” which is exactly what we have been trying to prove in these types of threads. A player can be too good with the nurse to point where he make you feel helpless in a chase, because the nurse does not obey Dead by Daylight mechanics.
In addition, some people disregarded the video because the survivors are not SWF which makes no sense to me. Solo survivors represent the majority of the player base and should not be neglected in a balance discussion.
By the way, any gameplay against a god nurse would make you look like a rank 21 survivor because there is literally nothing you can do other than hide behind rocks, hold M1 on a generator and hope that you don’t get found.
The fact that the nurse has been untouched for three years baffles me, even though she contradicts the balancing philosophy of the devs.
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To those saying that killer played well and survivors didn't:
Not gonna disagree, but please, try to remember your own words when watching the next video "proving" how survivors are op, because i've seen lots of them where killer totally sucked and yet people decided to ignore those facts.
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Broken killer
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Once again you are not acknowledging that the best player SHOULD win. Most Nurse's are not as good as Zubat, so he SHOULD dominate with her. No one is arguing that Nurse isn't the best Killer, because she is. But it isn't so wide a margin that you are making it out to be.
You act like the Nurse is as easy to play with as Wraith... She isn't. She's hard as hell to master. Once you master her you deserve to be rewarded by beating the crap out of players that are worse than you.
Nurse is high skill, high reward. If you put in the effort to be highly skilled with her then you deserve to be highly rewarded, which most highly skilled Nurses are. And most low skilled ones AREN'T rewarded.
And if your teams keep getting 4kd by her then I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that you or your team is trying to treat her like every other Killer and you just can't do that. You HAVE to play differently against her or you die. Which is the way it SHOULD be.
You run Spine chill, Distortion, Urban Evasion, Quick and quiet. You LOS whenever possible, you don't go back to a gen she knows someone is near. You have to PREDICT and get out of an area BEFORE she gets to it. You HAVE to play stealthy. I mean REALLY stealthy. That is her weakness. But no survivor wants to play that way. They think it's boring (even though it's a huge mechanic of the game), or that it's unfair that a Killer makes them alter their play style.
So what happens? Most survivors DON'T. They run out in the open, they don't LOS, they try and loop, they use windows. They cockily keep working on a gen when she's obviously heading that way. And they pay the price for it.
Also in before "if hiding from nurse is her counter then they'll just run tracking perks" except no try hard nurse is going to give up Ruin/BBQ//DH/NC/CI/Rancor to do that. Until it becomes meta,a dn then guess what? Now the SURVIVORS have made NURSE change her build.
Keep doing the same thing against nurse and crying about the same result. And i'll wait for the "insanity" meme to drop 1,000 times over again.
rewatches Math88's depip squad and laughs even harder at this pointless thread
/rant
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that is a beautiful comment sir
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You can't balance the game around cherry picks, I could pick a time where I 4K without add-ons with Leather Face.
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Nurse runs whispers. You die in 6 seconds when your character makes a sound, because you have no good perks.
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"You act like the Nurse is as easy to play with as Wraith... She isn't. She's hard as hell to master. Once you master her you deserve to be rewarded by beating the crap out of players that are worse than you."
Actually it isnt near as hard as people like you always trying to tell us. Even Zubat say it doesnt take long to get good with nurse. It also didnt take long for me to 4k constant like literally every game.
"Nurse is high skill, high reward. If you put in the effort to be highly skilled with her then you deserve to be highly rewarded, which most highly skilled Nurses are. And most low skilled ones AREN'T rewarded."
hate that quote .. "you put 100 hours effort in her, you deserve to easily 4k every game now" .. no you dont, thats the defintion of OP. The game SHOULD be balanced around the best players and not on people with low skill.
You know what is hard? Playing a god Genji in Overwatch. Nurse in compare is a joke to learn. You know what happened with god genjis (talking about top500, grandmaster etc.)?they just dominate every game. do you want to know what blizzard did? they nerfed genji heavily.
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Dbd is like a poorly paved highway.
The highway represents map, pallets, vaults. It's the structure and core foundation of our game!!
Cars are killers. They have to obey the laws of the highway.
Nurse is an airplane.
Who the ######### is going to drive on the highway when you can just choose the plane....
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So 1 game with good nurse against bad survivors who clumped up in one corner of the map with 1 dc on map with very few LOS blockers proves that nurse is broken ?
Good then were are much needed Leatherface nerfs since there are games like that also. You said that game is supposed to be balanced around best players and this game definitely didn't showcase the best of what survivors can do. Ofc good nurses will dominate bad survivors which these were so I see no problem here.
Give us a games where there is 4 man SWF with best perks who know how to gen rush and mindgame nurse otherwise it's not best of both sides facing each other to at least have slight amount of credibility.
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Following your logic if someone recorded a clip destroying with say the Doctor I could then say the doctor is OP as well.
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Piggy OP. (I didn’t have add-ons) this was before rank reset(the last one).
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Dude he can only provide so much example in one post. Stop making illogical arguments.
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Myers OP.
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That sucks bud, it's just another nurse nerf. Nurse rework = Nurse is 115%. Nurse now has a power gauge before she can use the power. Nurse also has only 1 blink, but the blink will remain the same other than a penalty for missing and an increased fatigue to make up for it's chase potential. The power gauge takes 60 seconds to refill given how powerful the blink is. Missing with nurse's blink will now cause a full gauge depletion, and the killer will be stunned for 4 seconds to make up for their mistake. Hitting with a blink will apply the deep wound status effect, and the killer can not down a survivor with the blink and must chase with 115%. We did not want to give her the advantage of being able to go from gen to gen without a limit, and given that we did not change the power to make Nurse stay Nurse, we believe it is a justified change to ensure the fun of both the killer and survivor. This change will also reward Nurses who are most experienced, (lolno) while also keeping her balanced and fun to play against.
What do you want Nurse to do? Get smashed by seal team? I mean, they are the best players and the game should be balanced around best players, right? Next up on the list, Spirit...
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@Jago I saw his profile before and im pretty sure he only had around 2k hours
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Nerf Spirit, she OP without add-ons. :)
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one match on a really good nurse map against potato surivors who only run forward doesnt proof anything my son. and yes, zubat is a good players. but still it doesnt proof much. i can upload my wraith 4k with 5 gens up, so wraith op? use logic pls.
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Yeah I don't know precisely, the number is just big, 10k was just to illustrate. Add his previous banned account to the numbers !
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I swear to God if someone posts a screenshot of a 4k with a ######### killer and goes "SeE ThiS KilLEr is OvePowErEd ToO" I'm gonna lose my mind. None of those killers ignores all high-level mechanics have to avoid killers and if you say stealth I'm going to force you into a KYF and repeatedly pummel your Prestiged 3 Claudette Urban Evading ass into a Whispers-laden ground.
Joking aside, Nurse base kit is still too strong, but in the current state of the game, its not exactly a bad thing that she is too strong. You know she is too strong when people say "Just spread out and do the gens like the depip squad." All that is doing is proving that, once mastered, she is impossible to beat in a chase and to beat the Nurse you must do literally everything you can do to avoid encountering the Nurse. What you're ACTUALLY saying is the entire state of the game is not balanced time-efficiency wise, which is true, but that has nothing to do with the Nurse. No one is beating a godly Nurse in a chase, ever, which means the individual killer is overpowered, time efficiency discussion aside.
tld;r: Nurse is overpowered, but games can go so fast that she is an acceptable amount of overpowered.
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@ScottJund shall I fetch another screenshot?
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i mean if you like posting useless things sure
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I like posting useless things.
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Some of you all have selective memory, doing all of these mental gymnastics just to justify Nurse. If you put time into Nurse that doesn't automatically mean you should 4k every game. You're not the only person playing this game, it's multiplayer, other people put time into playing Survivor, but do they always escape? No.
On another note, OP just provided a video and as someone else commented. The fact that you have to evade a chase just to survive because it's borderline impossible to escape from a nurse means that she is OP. If you cant do ANYTHING, at all to escape chase, that's a problem. Because she ignores vaulting and pallet mechanics, you can't do anything. She can lunge with blinks, go through walls, see auras with perks....but you want us to "stealth".
We can't break LoS on a decent nurse because the player still had eyes and we have to run to a place to hide first WHICH LEAVES SCRATCH MARKS.
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I don’t know why you quoted me.
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Except theres no equal skill cap for survivors to reach to counter play the highest skilled nurses. It's just a steamroll. That's the issue. And it's not to make survivors stronger because 1 killer is overpower AND broken
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I don't either damn it lol
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Blood Lodge isn't really a fair map because it's so open.
Show me several games of a god Nurse beating god survivors. And I insist on multiple matches because one must account for as many variables as possible.
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Can’t we stop with the (quite possibly false) labeling?
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@noneofyourbusiness i do take offense because i'm not some cry baby survivor that can only complain about high tier killers. I had to play the nurse before they fixed her and all survivors had to do was run to a multifloor area of the map to escape. I got plenty of experience with the nurse to know what the counter play is and how to beat the nurse and if survivors can't be bothered to learn anything other then to loop everything that's on them.
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Nothing against the content creator, but some of those tips were downright stupid. Really, run past the Nurse while she's fatigued? Does she not have ears, #########? He also said you have to guess when they run behind cover which...you don't, just blink at the entry point LoS was lost and use the second blink to correct.
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To all people who complain about assymetrically balanced killers with very high skill caps. If someone masters nurse and gets a 4k they deserve it and that how assymetrical games are suppose to play like.
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Sometimes you have to do the unexpected to mind game the Nurse. Listen, these tips aren't going to work 100% of the time, but it's at least something to help you.
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Hm yes yes indeed, what about the part where she can go through walls
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Why can’t people get their own videos as proof? Most of these threads turn into a “this streamer says X so your streamer is wrong about Y.)
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Using the highest form of play to bolster your argument isn't going to achieve much.
Te'll me when midranks start performing like this, and then we can talk.
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this looks reasonable player between new players but i agree
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People should learn from their mistakes.
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in asia mid rankers perform like this and some people have even better accuracy with better jukers, cause they not much playing this game since not even close to progression as competetive game
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someday you might fix your mind when you gud enough and thinking nurse is most easiest op character in competetive game history
even sfv abigail had some balance but fixed in 6months because of top tier and hated
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Mmmm, doesn't really maatter to me, I won't touch her until they remove her breathing ASMR.
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End game nerds were not enough... they need to revert the crouch changes... piggy broken because of this /\
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Why stop their? Make ambush take 13 seconds to activate and remove un-crouching without ambushing
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*there editing crashes my forum.
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And then the survivors will say "BuT NoT eVeRYoNe PlaYs ThAt WaY" ...... well not too many players can do what zubat did in this vid.... I'm one of them...... there are a ton more players that can't do what zubat does...
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