Revert the Mori Change Devs

You say they changed it for bad survivors complaining they don't want to die, but your post here sounds like a bad killer who is not able to kill survs without moris.

I mean, I play both sides equally, and I just can agree with that change. Dude, i used pink moris and, unless there was a very very annoying survivor, i would hook them twice before moriying the survs.

Playing solo survivor can be a pain in the ass tho if you get bad mates, if you get tunneled camped or whatever.... and a lot of killer (i presume like you) bring moris to kill right away a just unhooked survivor.

You complain that waiting two hooks before being able to mori someone is bad, but it kills the fun of a survivor pretty fast in a trial.

Otherwise, use devour hope, but according to me, you look like one of those complaining killers exactly like complaining bad survivors.

Don't change moris, it is very well balanced like that.

I get your point!

BUT!!...

For real, as I play killer AND survivor, the real thing that can be upsetting about a killer is abusive SWF. Yeah a 4 SWF team with mikes very well coordinated can be a pain in the ass. That said, solo survs, even if they use those kind of things, won't be as abusive as SWF. I can tell, I recognize these types of teams, and when it comes to solo survs, we can SEE IT, even if they run these kind of perks.

I, most of the time, play solo queue survivor.... and when it comes to a bad team, I mean, even with the highest tier perks, I can't troll easily and abuse a game.... because a survivior sided trial is first of all a good teamwork with coordiniation.

Finally, I think that the real problem is about SWF than with perks.

Some offer ways to nerf swf, but it is pretty hard to handle because some teams are 2 friends, some 3, some other 4... and a lot will complain about a nerf, etc.

Even if I would agree with a nerf of SWF when I play some trials as killer, unfortunately I don't think it is about to happen.

I want them. Thanks.

Offerings are arbitrary things in the game and should not affect the game too much.

Isn't that literally the point of Dead Hard

I like how ######### up this comment is.

You in the same breath recognize the emotions that cause people to really not like certain things the survivors do that radically shift the win condition of the game, yet deny the validity of wanting the ability to do it yourself. It feels like you think of killer players as subhuman: your more upset with the REACTION to a negative play experience than a negative play experience.

If you bring a key to allow you and a friend to escape despite only doing 3 gens instead of 5, why should the killer not be allowed to bring a tool that lets them remove you from the game at 2 won chases instead of 3? Keys remove more game time from the survivor objective, assuming a duo, 40% even ignoring gates, compared to Moris removing 33%.

While I think Moris are broken, acting like killers don't have good reason to be MASSIVELY upset by this very obvious preferential treatment towards survivors here sucks and is scummy.

The reason killers act with such disgust towards keys is that keys completely change the rules of how killers play the game.

Killers normally win via applying pressure to the survivors and preventing them from efficiently repairing gens by reducing their overall repair power and forcing them to focus on other things, like chases and rescues. A killer can't defend every single gen, but they can stop all 5 gens from getting done if they are clever.

Keys ANIHILATE this dynamic. A duo with a key who play cleverly are a duo the killer basically can't pip against, and will struggle to safety pip against, because suddenly the killer goes from needing to ensure 3 gens aren't completed, to needing to ensure 5 of the 7 aren't completed, which is a completely unrealistic count. What is worse is that it messes with the freedom of the killer to try to eliminate players: suddenly punishing bad survivor play like unhook farming actually is bad for the killer, which means key holders can be way more reckless and in your face than a regular survivor in an unfun way, because you get in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' position: Do you punish unhook farming? The key duo doesn't care if you kill the people they are matched with, they WANT them to die on some level. Do you not punish the farm? Ok, the survivors win conventionally by doing 5 gens because your pressuring 0 survivors after wasting time unhooking.

Its just awful, and so most killers pretty reasonably do everything in their power to kill the key-holder as their main objective, both to discourage survivors from bringing keys, and because they literally have to because if you have a key by two kills the killer loses!

And this style of play isn't fun for the killer at all. And unlike Moris, which also create an unfun 'avoid chases at any cost' playstyle for survivors, there is no 'out' for the killer. Games with keys don't end fast, its an exercise in teeth pulling and you having to be this maximal sweaty stressed out jerk if you want to win cleanly.

This is why so many killers were pissed about the mori change but not the key change happening: Moris weren't a great counter to keys victory wise, but they allowed you to 'punish' survivors for trying to do something so awful to you: 'sure you brought in your key, but you lost and depipped with 5k bloodpoints, get the hell out of my lobby and think about what you tried to pull.'

So there is both an in game strategy (You NEED to get rid of the key) and a meta-strategy (Killers want less keys in the game, so killers overall collectively punish bringing a key).

So I definitely am not familiar with the playstyle you describe, I guess I'm just not at that level? I'm just used to getting my [BAD WORD] kicked in any time someone brings a key, and it appears the killer is just bullying us for no reason. Keys, to me, are super chancey, and usually not worth the effort it takes to not be destroyed while you have it. I've even been in matches with people who found a broken key in a chest, and the killer still punished all of us for it. Then there was the match where a Huntress used iri heads and camped me to death, when I wasn't even the one who brought the key.

Basically, I think a lot of killers have an overblown idea of keys, based on things they've seen on rank 1 streams, and they're inaccurate to most levels of play, and the killers are just using this as an excuse to be bullies and have it seem justified.

Dead Hard was designed to be a perk that when a survivor timed it well, a killer would miss an attack that would otherwise hit. The A Lullaby for the Dark chapter had some CRAZY survivor perk ideas in it whose like hadn't been seen before, but Dead Hard wasn't meant to be so crazy as to be a free extra few feet whenever the survivor wanted/needed it. It was designed that way because the invincibility frames for DH are shorter than a max killer's lunge (longer invincibility frames would feel really bad for the killer and requires less precise timing from survivors), and the DbD devs needed a way to make sure that killers couldn't just consistently out-lunge the perk regardless of how precise the survivor's timing was.

The current and past* side effects are/were because of that :/

*dashing forward in the air onto places the killer couldn't reach

yea revert the mori change its trash survivors need to be killed game is too survivor sided lol its boring when all we do is gen rush :P +1 revert mori garbage now typical dbd hide everything with cosmetics #fixthedamngame

Keys aren't okay either, but moris were worse. Killers have a hard early game, and a mori cuts unfairly to the easiest part of the game for Killers by instantly killing a Survivor.

Keys do not guarantee a free escape for more than 2 Survivors most of the time, but moris are a guaranteed win unless you're actually so trash you can't get 1 hook and tunnel off hook, then capitalize on killing a Survivor before the first gen is done.

Both sides have OP perks, next.

Moral of the story: You're stupid, stop crying about your free win button being made to be helpful, but not broken.

Was I harsh here? Yes. Is it undeserved? Read this crap for yourself.