Killers, please stop dodging.

Then please ready up when joining me.
If you don't ready up, i'll assume you're not ready, and i don't want anyone who isn't ready to face me.

@LegitAdventurer said:
Boss said:

Then please ready up when joining me.

If you don't ready up, i'll assume you're not ready, and i don't want anyone who isn't ready to face me.

Gladly! I'm not one of those last minute item switchers

\o/

@powerbats said:

@Boss said:
Then please ready up when joining me.
If you don't ready up, i'll assume you're not ready, and i don't want anyone who isn't ready to face me.

It hasn't really mattered today, join in with no time and ready up, killer instantly dodges because they don't like the flashy outfit or they don't like facing someone who did well prior games apparently.

I try and join with my items already equipped and if ping is good instantly ready up and still get dodged even before I can click ready. I've joined lobbies and watched as they slowly fill up by ones or two's and the duo's elave and it's all solo's.

The killers will dodge the moment they see a single item or cosmetic they don't like it doesn't matter what it is or if it's a super cool outfit.

Oh, no wait.
There IS one other reason why i would dodge.
I dodge anyone who stays with red ping after 30 seconds.
I don't do it for them, i just think it's too easy to kill someone who walks into a wall at 2 FPS for 10 seconds.

Other than that, i kinda wish i could give you a break and get you to join my lobby on ranked.

We will stop dodging when you all enter and press-ready instantly.

@Boss said:

Oh, no wait.
There IS one other reason why i would dodge.
I dodge anyone who stays with red ping after 30 seconds.
I don't do it for them, i just think it's too easy to kill someone who walks into a wall at 2 FPS for 10 seconds.

Other than that, i kinda wish i could give you a break and get you to join my lobby on ranked.

For ping I totally understand and I join lobbies and if my ping goes above 225ish and stays there too long or goes higher I'll leave since it's not fair to anyone else.

@Rebel_Raven said:

They probably shoot chat invites on PC, too.

I've gotten voice invites put into lobby chat pregame before but I don't ever join since those are almost always going to end badly. Those are also pretty rare on pc at least I've seen may'be 20 in all my time playing.

Now postgame I've seen around 40-50 and usually those are flamefests waiting to happen and they arrive just before Steam friend requests do. I've actually met some nice people via Discord that way but most of the time it's COD chat.

@Vietfox said:
@Boss said:

Then please ready up when joining me.

If you don't ready up, i'll assume you're not ready, and i don't want anyone who isn't ready to face me.

You would be surprised how many times i've been dodged when i pressed ready as soon as i got into the lobby. I've found out that if i wait 10 or 15 seconds to ready up they tend to dodge less.
Honestly i don't know what's the reason behind that, but it seems to work.

Odd.

@LegitAdventurer said:
Orion said:

@LegitAdventurer said:

So this is basically why you all dodge SWF groups. Understood.

If you ignore everything that's been said, then yes.

PS: Next time, just say you're not really interested in anything anyone else has to say. Save everyone the time.

Lol what? I'm not even being rude my guy. The general consensus is that "they're cheating" and that you guys are unconfident in your killers. That's what you all are saying.

It's not really about being unconfident. Certain killers don't even stand a chance at low ranks especially if survive with friends and comms. Killers have their limitations and skill level of the player can't extend that. Pretty much have to really on survivors messing up and failing the loops so time isn't wasted. If killer was so much fun to play then survivors wouldn't have a problem with que times or have to worry about lobby dodges.

LegitAdventurer said:

Both sides have written this invisible rule book for the opposing side:

Killers be like: survivors arent allowed to use SWF, or flashlights, or fireworks, or cosmetics, or Decisive Strike, or toolboxes, or Dead Hard, or...

Survivors be like: killers aren't allowed to use No Ed, or camp, or tunnel, or use leather face, or the nurse, unless they're a noob, or use Mori's, or... 


I don't get it lol.

LegitAdventurer said:

Rebel_Raven said:

LegitAdventurer said:

Both sides have written this invisible rule book for the opposing side:

Killers be like: survivors arent allowed to use SWF, or flashlights, or fireworks, or cosmetics, or Decisive Strike, or toolboxes, or Dead Hard, or...

Survivors be like: killers aren't allowed to use No Ed, or camp, or tunnel, or use leather face, or the nurse, unless they're a noob, or use Mori's, or... 


I don't get it lol.

It's not so much SWF killers are worried about, imo. It's the advantages people stack on it.

If there was no SWF survivors would just lobby dodge until they were in the same lobby as their friends, and still stack the advantages.

These advantages are largely chat that isn't included with the game to organize into something the game isn't balnced for. 
The game is balanced around 4 solos who don't chat with the others. The game is supposed to be anti social, and it's why we have perks to communicate with eachother like Kindred, and Aftercare. 

I'm sure if the overwhelming majority of SWF played without organization, and chat, we might not have as much of a problem.
But they don't. So they get dodged. 

And what about the people who dont use 4 man swf and still get dodged? Some of these killers will literally dodge for any reason they can find.

"Well they had a claudette. I don't fight claudettes."

"Someone had a flashlight"

"They wore ANY cosmetics, even free, starter cosmetics"

"They came in empty handed? Nope too confident. Gotta go."

"They have survivors on the team? Time to dodge"

@Orion said:
Why are SWF afraid of playing the game normally? This goes both ways.

Excuse me for wanting to play a game with my friends. Not every SWF is a navy seal team you know.

JowDaddyy said:

@LegitAdventurer said:
JowDaddyy said:

This is absolutely hilarious. You seriously expect us to play a full game against a SWF with communication, torches and most likely DS, Borrowed time and get gen rushed. Nah, I think i'll pass thanks.

Uhh, yes. I do it all the time lol. Solo survivors run flashlights and DS and borrowed time all the same lol. 

good for you. I'd rather wait another minute and get a team full of morons with no communication. Kind of seems like common sense to me.

@LegitAdventurer said:
A message to all killers. I never understood why people are afraid to fight any sort of survivors. Are you not a confident killer? Do you think you're bad? I don't get it. I understand killers have almost instantaneous wait times but survivors do not. I can't tell you how annoying it is to wait 10-15 minutes to find a game just to get dodged, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a row.

Stop being afraid of SWF groups, half the time i get dodged I'm only a group of 2 people. Sometimes people join up all at once, regardless of them being in a SWF together or not. Ontop of killers being afraid of specific survivors (???) I still dont understand that stigma. "Ope nope. I can't kill them, they have a claudette on the team. Time to dodge" 

So TLDR killers, please stop dodging us. We understand you find games instantly but we do not.
-sincerely,
survivors and our ridiculous wait times.

You get dodged because the second a killer so much as gets a whiff of a 3-4SWF, they're dropping it. It doesn't make the game fun, it's not a "git gud" issue when the survivors have been given an advantage that used to not be present/prominent and things played much differently, i.e. external comms. They didn't put motions in-game as taunts or a way to communicate to those not on comms, they did it as a means for survivors to communicate at the intended level of communication. When you get placed against a group that can ultimately bully you with no consequence, you effectively defang the killer and any purpose for there being one on the map. The reason why Nurse and Billy are so memed against by bitter SWF is because of their mobility/presence isn't something that comms can quickly react to, they're effectively a hard counter to external comms. Time on games has shown that any side that consistently memes "We're fine" runs a 4 minute loop "you just need" 3 people bodyblock a hook and killer drops "to get" sprint bursts across the map "gud" stands on top of a hill at the open exit gate until you try to get close for BL instead of just leaving "m80" removes 1-2 of your perks in the first 2 minutes pops 5 gens in under 6 minutes 40% of the objective gives escape option, winning even though you lost 4 decisives with flashlights and bulbs "huehuehuehue" simply means they know they have it good and are threatened by the idea of being brought down to a fair level of competition. SWF are by far the most toxic members of the community because they know they can get away with cheating the game. Thank god they screened killer perks, nice start.

Survivors were never meant to be this highly organized group, that's why the whole "hurr killers are just afraid of organized survivors" is a dumb argument; of course they do, the game was designed to function with survivors being disorganized in mind, killers weren't made to go up against organized groups with active communication and borderline radar on the location of the killer at any given time, whereas the killer only knows where survivors are through actions that trigger auras, searching, and tracking, which survivors have perks to completely nullify as well (NM, IW, PS, UE, Claudette, never get found).

@Crizpen said:

@LegitAdventurer said:
A message to all killers. I never understood why people are afraid to fight any sort of survivors. Are you not a confident killer? Do you think you're bad? I don't get it. I understand killers have almost instantaneous wait times but survivors do not. I can't tell you how annoying it is to wait 10-15 minutes to find a game just to get dodged, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a row.

Stop being afraid of SWF groups, half the time i get dodged I'm only a group of 2 people. Sometimes people join up all at once, regardless of them being in a SWF together or not. Ontop of killers being afraid of specific survivors (???) I still dont understand that stigma. "Ope nope. I can't kill them, they have a claudette on the team. Time to dodge" 

So TLDR killers, please stop dodging us. We understand you find games instantly but we do not.
-sincerely,
survivors and our ridiculous wait times.

I'll dodge a SWF team that comes in with four flashlights. Obviously, they're looking to frustrate me as much as possible, which means I'll have to play extra sweaty to counter it. It isn't a matter of confidence, it's a matter of annoyance. Particularly considering if I'm facing a SWF team, I'm far more likely to burn my best add-on's, but get the same or fewer points as my reward.

But SWF are a pain in the ass anyway. In solo queue matches, if I catch a survivor at my totem, or they happen to loop me past it, only that survivor knows where it is, and I can focus extra attention on them. In SWF, everyone knows. This goes for trap placement and perks as well. If I surprise one survivor with Spirit Fury, I can still use that against the next survivor, and then the next... except in SWF. Once it's used the first time, all the survivors know and will throw pallets earlier to nullify my perk. The same can be done to nullify Make Your Choice and many other perks which, more or less, depend on survivors behaving in particular ways. With traps, since one person seeing it placed means everyone knows, the other members of the team can move in behind me and disarm or remove the trap they never would have otherwise known was there.

Furthermore, relatively few SWF groups are what they should be. If I'm a rank 10 killer, for example, and a SWF team joins in, I may be facing two rank 1's, along with a 15 and 10. Obviously, for less experienced killers, the match is going to go very differently and far more frustratingly than against four players with more or less the same experience and skill as himself.

What's really funny though are how many survivors, who play SWF primarily, complain that they face Nurse, Billy and Spirit in almost every match. The killer may not have planned to play those killers, but to counter SWF, they are the best choices.

Of course, you know all this, because these are the advantages you enjoy while playing SWF. That you're complaining that another player may not want to play against that demonstrates just how little empathy you have for other players. I'd recommend you stop complaining about being dodged, and make suggestions for how to make matchmaking better, or how to give Killers some other balance when facing SWF teams, or at least an incentive to play against them.

I would take 4 flashlights over even 2 toolboxes any day. You know they are all flashlight fkboys and you are going to have easy game.

@TheWraith883 said:

@MegMain98 said:
Some people don’t want to face lobbies with 4 P3 Claudettes and Megs with flashlights and Decisive Strike. My friend group has been lobby dodged MANY times and we’ve waited an hour for games at certain points, but do I blame the killer? No. Not many people want to get demolished by a 4 man SWF group.

Also, some of them wait until the lobby will start and switch instantly for a FlashLight. Do you know what I do in this case? I wait until the lobby starts and end the game from task manager. They stay in the infinite lobby loading screen and they lose all their items. Love it when they try to fool me.

I just don’t get how people are so dim-witted to wonder why killers lobby dodge SWF with dark clothes and flashlights, especially when they last second switch. We all want to have a fun game and if I have a feeling a SWF group is gonna try to bully me then I won’t play that round. Unless I’m feeling mean and want to bring in the most powerful add-ons, perks, and a mori.

OP, you seem to confuse SWF with using external softwares to communicate with each other.

Killers don't care about SWF as this doesn't really provide any seriously unfair advantages. It's because SWFs use external third party softwares to gain advantages that they otherwise would not get.

With the ability to globally communicate with each other you get access to informations that you would otherwise never have. We all know that knowledge is a very important part in DbD, if not the most important one. Knowing where the Killer is, where the survivors are, what gens are being worked on, where the totems are, where the pallets are gone ect. is gamebreaking, simply put.

It really shouldn't surprise you that Killers try to avoid such players. It's similar to playing PUBG against someone that has a ghosting friend that keeps telling them where you are and what you're doing.

PiiFree said:

OP, you seem to confuse SWF with using external softwares to communicate with each other.

Killers don't care about SWF as this doesn't really provide any seriously unfair advantages. It's because SWFs use external third party softwares to gain advantages that they otherwise would not get.

With the ability to globally communicate with each other you get access to informations that you would otherwise never have. We all know that knowledge is a very important part in DbD, if not the most important one. Knowing where the Killer is, where the survivors are, what gens are being worked on, where the totems are, where the pallets are gone ect. is gamebreaking, simply put.

It really shouldn't surprise you that Killers try to avoid such players. It's similar to playing PUBG against someone that has a ghosting friend that keeps telling them where you are and what you're doing.