Can we address how unhealthy and unbearable pop pain res is

Pop does have stacks it has 8 so does every other gen perk also the only time a killer gets value from pop is from hooks so if the same gen is being pop constantly you aren't winning

Your time doesn't mean much to us. Nothing provides consistent value. If your unable to proc your regression perks, do you get value? Aside from fun being subjective, we gave reasons and they are accurate.

Bro says that perks are unhealty that you need work for it to do acutally something, typical survivor main

Now you're just being dishonest because I would trade this iteration in for release pop ANY day

You only get more slowdown if you're kicking a 99% gen, most gens you kick are 30% of 50%, which is like what, 15% of total progress?

There will always be perks on both sides that makes the game harder for the other, going down the road of complaining about every perk that is useful till it’s nerfed to the ground is what’s really “unhealthy”. The developers gave us an inch with the first meta shakeup update, how many miles are we gonna keep asking? I understand with actual game breaking un-counterable perk combos like FTP+Buckle where there’s just no counter play it is reasonable and worth to be asking for changes but gen slow downs are such a must in this current climate of the game and it’s necessity rises higher the higher mmr you reach. Please leave gen regression perks alone, last one killers got was COB and that was when I first bought the game. And survivors have been receiving gen progression/speed perks with each update without fail.

That's unfair to call for those nerfs. Games are too fast paced and Call of Brine/Overcharge got overly nerfed (they didn't need their regression percentage nerfed; they just needed to not stack with each other).

Until the pace slows down many games will just be a race between can the Killer tunnel someone out before the survivors do enough gens that at least three can escape.

Until there's a mechanic to slow things down in the early game and to speed repairs up after the survivors lose someone I think it's one sided to call for a nerf to Pain Res and Pop and would just make tunneling even worse. The idea of tunneling getting worse due to game changes always has its detractors but it's a valid point. There are only so many ways to slow down the game and give breathing room (ie quick downs, gen regression or blocking, slugging, tunneling) and if one of those becomes less effective another will take up the slack. It's not a coincidence that after tightening MMR and nerfing gen regression the incidences of tunneling rose noticeably.

Given close to even MMRs the only Killers that can get quick downs consistently are Nurse and Blight so what are you suggesting Killers get in return for nerfing Pain Res and Pop? There's always two sides to the game and BHVR is happy with the current kill rates so which Killer buffs would you like to see in return?

That was before they increased gen time yea? It currently does 20 charges worth of damage (25% of 80), in its previous state it was 12 charges (20% of 60), between the gen increase and the pop increase it nearly doubled in value. If they cut it down to 20% it would be 16 charges, a 33% increase from its previous 20% state.

Nothing.

I would let killrates on weaker killers plummet and then buff those killers.

Like you say, killers spent 6 years inflating the stats with slowdowns and ensured that any buffs trickled out at the pace of a dead sloth.

Imagine what Trapper could have been if killers didn't quiver with rage at the thought of losing a few games.

#NerfPooAlready

I can’t believe Pop is catching a stray cause his older sister is too strong. I was going to say that adding perk conflicts might be good, but the idea of stifling perk combos is very uninteresting and very boring.

I hate to be the worlds most laughable centrist, but there are 1 types of perk the other side hates

survivors hate Gen slowdown perks, and killers hate second chance perks. Both these types of perks are so strong and hated because they impede the other sides goal. Second chance perks prevent or delay the killer from killing, while gen slowdown slows generator completion.

while an argument can be made that pain res is strong, pop is an insanely balance perk, that frankly doesn’t really need any strays

I only play with 2 slow downs max because I find it boring, but honestly I can’t blame others for running them. There’s not much else to run.

Chase perks are usually minor benefits or too niche, and they still give less pressure than regression. The only really good one was STBFL and that got nerfed.

Tracking isn’t really needed when survivors aren’t really hiding anymore, and Distortion just makes auras useless.

Stealth perks have too many conditions, and if you are already a stealth killer why do you need it?

Why run anything else when everything else so outclassed by slowdown? The best fix would be to nerf all regression perks and give their strength to the other perks.

ok first the question was "If your unable to proc your regression perks, do you get value?".

Second depending on our situation one is better for us than the other, we'd rather have those stacks of coup than a gen in the aft end of nowhere. Couple of examples being garden of joys manor and Hawkins portal room. Defiantly would rather the stacks than have that gen for last or somethin.

Third, its getting more conditional because people keep stacking regression (yes, this is probably not the whole reason, but its way more than likely a factor) and if your getting no value out of anything but regression we dont know what to tell ya.