The Unknown Feedback

yeah i did, if you consider making those shots as "skill" okay, have it your way bro

The teleport is easily the strongest part in his kit and destroys solos. The hallucinations are much more than slowdown. They are map control. If left unchecked he can lock down an area and ambush on the other side of the map. Managing and using these is his skill ceiling though the way the hallucinations drop seems kind of clunky and opaque to be fair. This killer can play really dirty.

So I tried to get Undone to work. Doctor, Distressing, Coulphobia, Merciless Storm on Midwich. Even being able to cover the map with the TR to try to force skillcheck saves getting to 30 stacks just isn't going to happen.

Eh, I just disagree. I've also been playing a lot of matches as the new killer. And I've been finding the power super rewarding, especially since you refresh the weakened on an injure now and are rewarded with more time for landing your shots and not taking the free m1 when it is offered. Sure some players have been good at juking the power, especially mid range, but having to earn your downs is where the fun is at. Usually the juke costs them distance anyhow. It is super satisfying landing the UVX in the short window as it feels fast paced and like your skill matters. There's enough time for one shot, which is somewhat similar to artist, missing it does deserve the weakness removal as punishment.

So why is my idea bad? Literally everything is rougher on solos. Yes the hallucinations are more than just slow down, that sounds good to me. While yes there is a tiny/very clunky bit of control you can use to their placement, they are generally speaking going to be placed randomly. My change isn't hurting his skill ceiling, it's raising it, as it's also giving him more opportunity for plays.

Just commenting on the perks

Unbound is a cool idea for an effect, but it's quite underwhelming. Killer vaults are 1.2 seconds longer than a fast vault. The distance covered by a survivor in that time is 4.8 meters. The extra distance given by a 10 second, 5% speed boost is 2 meters. You're still losing distance simply by choosing to vault; the only way in which this is at all useful is if you're making a build around vaulting (in which case you're losing out on a lot of other stuff) or you're in a situation where you're forced to vault regardless (incredibly situational, bordering on useless in some maps). Basically the speed boost ends up running out once you get to the next loop. I'd look at either increasing the bonus or extending the duration so you lose less distance on the vault.

Unforseen is pretty good, no notes

Undone is another cool idea for an effect, but tying it to missed skill checks makes it very weak. Against survivors who are gonna miss skill checks regularly slowdown ends up being unnecessary, and in games where you need slowdown the survivors aren't gonna be missing skill checks. The perk should get charges for all types of skill checks (maybe 2 for good ones and 1 for great ones? that way it still gets value while giving counterplay to surviors)

I think the Unknown is in a great spot! I appreciate the feedback being taken into account from the PTB, as the hindered feels more impactful and makes the yellow addon a fun option. This chapter is one of my favorites in a while, lovely work!

That doesn’t seem like too many opportunities if the survivors control the hallucinations.

I disagree that survivors do control them if The Unknown hits his shots and protects them unless survivors are on comms. Depends on the map and where the chase went, sure, but as soon as the snowball starts rolling there is little time to remove them. Though maybe I'm the only one in my games who cares to deal with hallucinations, that's a possibilty. You asked about unlimited hallucinations. How do you feel about getting ambushed as soon as BBQ triggers or even randomly and then cut off wherever you go without knowing he even was there to drop one or four hallucination in the first place? Or better yet you even spent 20s to look around and dispelled one or two hallucinations but there was a third one in an obscure location.

The range of aura read on hallucinations is quite limited and if they are behind an object you see them late at best. If they are in the open, sure, you see them, but saying you see them everywhere all the time is disingenuous especially in chase when you have few options and may be getting zoned, too.

When you are chased into an area of the map you have not been to before and you are not aware that he chased anyone else there then every hallucination would be 'random' to you or when he abandons a chase and you happen to be there either just arriving or attempting to dispel. Tell me neither of these are not random.

I include getting sniped at a gen immediately after teleport in getting jumped not just taking his axe to the face - this could be just at the edge of this terror radius. I agree being in melee range of a hallucination after a hook is a misplay especially when injured but if you still think this is the extent of possibilities with unlimited hallucinations and survivors have unlimited time to deal with unlimited hallucinations, let us assume they are not interrupted else this gets much worse, then I don't see a point in continuing this argument.

It is not about them being literally hard to see but them being everywhere if you give him an unlimited amount. Hard to see ones as in unexpected so you do not check during the approach or even if you do check there is neither time nor another location to go to.

With something like 45s between placing them...entirely managable on the survivor end imo.

I suppose you have not yet played against an Unknown player that was even half decent.

needs a nerf either

leaving the clones to teleport to last too long.

there's too many of them.

feel like the teleport to clone the transfer is too quick. if it had some audio queue like freddys teleport to a gen and subtle pause before moving makes sense.

audio is like a really bad washing machine, needs re-work.

if you're not going to tweak any of that the MS alone feels fast atleast via the animation it does... i've not successfully been able to loop one yet.

What do you mean by there's too many hallucinations? There's only maximum of 4 and it can be 3 if you run one of the iri addon.

just had a game.... guys dropped clones by both exit gates as im looking for hatch and then closed it. ok tell me more about how these clone placements aren't OP. leave them by hooked survivors. instant tele. it's bull

There still are people who want to make already a mediocre M1 killer even weaker. How about trying to play as this joke of a killer first and see what he is capable of?

First off, clones can't be within 16 meters of a hooked survivor, you are fine. Secondly being able to patrol exit gates isn't OP XD, you can literally remove them in a 3 second animation. You can't even do that verse Singularity and he's not OP. he can replace them instantly and have multiple there near hooks and near gens and near gates.

Honestly not to be that guy but I've had no issues looping him, weakened goes away really quickly and the projectile is easy to dodge. Just remove his clones while he's carrying someone, it's pretty easy.

Give Survivors their own projectile in exchange. Then, you might be able to begin to balance this Killer. You can't have splash damage range attacks in a game without at least giving your opponent (1) a weapon in exchange (2) use of environment for protection (3) a build mode like Fortnite and/or (4) dynamic movement, such as tactical sprint, mantling, jumping, etc. Unknown's opponents, they have none of these things.

DBD doesn't get ranged Killers right. Unknown's just the worst example. I played him once for a daily-- without perks/add-ons -- and just using his power, on PS4. There's little skill involved. That's the story for ranged Killers in this game, with the possible exception of Deathslinger that doesn't just try to zone Survivors.

I would like to express my opinion about add-ons.

Personally, I would like a killer add-ons basically to be something that not only strengthens the killer, also expand the range of play.

Ultra Rare "Captured by the Dark":

Current effect is not worthy of a Ultra Rare.

Suggestion: Add more effect. "When survivors become weakened, that survivor's aura will be displayed for a certain period of time."

* Survivors' aura will be displayed for at least 7-8 seconds, because to match UVX cooldown time of 7 seconds.

Very Rare "Discarded Milk Carton":

In the first place "situations where the Unknown wants to bounce UVX with wall etc." are limited to some scenes. In addition, I don't think it's necessarily lead to more better results to use this add-on in that situations.

Suggestion: Rework. "UVX if after flying for more than 0.2 seconds after bouncing, will causes a more powerful explosion than normal."

* Compared to a normal explosion, the "explosion range" and "the duration of the explosion remains before the hit detection disappears" are strengthened.

Very Rare "Homemade Mask":

Current effect is not worthy of a Very Rare.

Suggestion: Rework. Survivors who start a Dispel action on a hallucinations are immediately Weakened and Oblivious state for a period of time.

* This effect can also be expected to have synergy with the above "Ultra Rare: Captured by the Dark".

Very Rare "Serum Vial":

Current effect is not worthy of a Very Rare.

Suggestion: Rework. "Right after the Unknown teleports, the survivors who witness that Unknown or are seen by the Unknown, will scream and become Exhausted state and Hindered state for a certain period of time."

* The same can be said for other teleporting killers, it would likely be more fun as horror entertainment if it were possible to make nearby survivors scream immediately after teleporting, so I think there should be more opportunities for that.

Rare "Hypnotist's Watch":

I think that very few people will use this add-on, because it is too difficult to directly hit survivors with UVX projectile, and it is questionable that it will be effective enough.

Suggestion: Rework. When the next hallucination can be spawned (the visual effects on both the left and right edges of the screen are yellow), if you hold UVX, and press the ability button instead of the attack button to launch UVX, a hallucination will be remotely spawned at the place where the UVX blasted (or the ground beneath it). When this hallucination is created, it immediately stands up and it becomes a teleport point.

* I think it would be more fun to be able to remotely create hallucinations by using UVX (I imagine UVX blobs dripping onto the ground and becoming hallucination).

Uncommon "Notebook of Theories":

As mentioned above, it is too difficult for UVX projectile to directly hit survivors. Also, "-6% Hindered state as 3 to 5 seconds" is hard to feel beneficial personally.

Suggestion: Rework. "UVX projectile speed increases."

* I think this not only makes it easier for UVX projectiles to hit survivors directly, also makes it easier to hit UVX blast. In addition, it may be better if the trajectory of the projectile does not change depending on whether this effect is present or not. In addition, I think the benefits of directly hitting survivors with UVX projectiles could be increased a little more on the base kit (such as the UVX cooldown time is shortened).

Uncommon "Last Known Recording":

I think very few people will actively use this add-on because the effect is too modest.

Suggestion: Rework. "Survivors entering the Aura range of a Hallucination suffer from the Blindness status effect certain period of time."

* This means also survivors will never be able to see the hallucinations' aura (although they can still hear the sounds it makes).

Uncommon "Slashed Backpack":

I think it's good to be able to quickly clean-up the one hallucination and quickly respawn in a better spot personally, but I'd like a more mechanism to make it feel that what players clean-up hallucinations is worth it. In addition, I think the effect "hallucination exploding when hit by UVX" is almost worthless.

Suggestion: Rework. If you attack a hallucination with melee-attack or UVX, instead that hallucination will disappear, you will gain the following effects. Granted a Haste status effect for a certain period of time, and significantly reduces the cooldown time of teleport, and reduces the spawn timer of your next hallucination.

* This will makes it expand the range of use for this add-on. Depending on how you use it, you may be able to get benefits such as being able to chase more advantageously, but I think these effects will be just right, not too strong.

Uncommon "Victim's Map":

Current effect is too little impact on rituals.

Suggestion: Add more effect. "When a Weakened state survivor is looking at Unknown, that survivor's aura is displayed. This effect lasts for a certain period of time even after the survivor is no longer looking at the Unknown."

Common "Blurry Photo":

This explanation of the effect is not correct and gives rise to misunderstandings. Not only is "full movement speed is recovered 50% faster", it's actually "also 50% faster time to be able to initiate actions other than movement and perspective changes".

Suggestion: Revise the description please. I hope clearly explain that "the Unknown will be able to attack immediately after teleporting".

Thank you for reading.