Pardon me for noticing but...

I think these people are a big problem. They can make people quit the game. Sure, you can say: "grow a pair, it's not that serious!" but is this truly the best we can do? Accept this kind of behaviour? Endorse it?

I don't see slugging, tunneling, genrushing, camping or any strategy in that sense as bm.

We should help to create a healthy environment. Games are there to bring fun. Reality can be harsh enough already.

There's a mentality that you're not responsible for other people's fun therefore it's valid to play/do whatever you want. I understand the point of this kind of thinking but I feel at its core it promotes a very selfish playstyle that if everyone adopted would make the game absolutely miserable, and downright unplayable on survivor side. If nobody cared about anybody then every game would be a sweat fest, broken perks, broken add-ons, constant BM, no saves, constant sandbagging etc. It's the same mentality cheaters have. They don't care that the game is unfun for the killer or survivor, they only care about their own fun.

I know many people will tell you that it's your fault for getting upset on how people choose to play, just try not to let it bother you. People will defend anything if it means they can win. Not everyone is like this though, some people in this game do genuinely care and recognize that there's an actual human being on the other side of the screen. I wish you luck in the fog! <3

I mean it's not very different than making jokes about beating people up or joking about jumping off a cliff.

As someone who is quite sensitive to topics regarding SA, tbagging and the like never struck me as a direct endorsement of SA but simply an extension of non-verbal trash talk and so I never minded it and even tbag myself sometimes.

That's just how I feel though, clearly other people are different.

There's nothing wrong with pulling niche scenarios that fit your narrow PoV. I say narrow because you clearly refuse to get out of your lil bubble. An actual argument would be very welcome.

Yes. A lot of signs point to actual human behavior issues, lack of empathy, etc. Could be a number of things or none of them. They could just be straight jerks. None of these things are wrong perse, but socially, it's a pretty disgusting quality. We all have our issues!

My opinion, ofc.

First of all, tunneling and slugging are legit playstyles that the devs have already stated they aren't going to aggressively punish because inherently, they are not toxic playstyles. Both sides are playing to win, and a killer will do these to win if need be. Second of all, they've dealt with toxic playstyles as best as they can (flashing lights constantly at players for example). Third, all PVP games typically have their own way of t-bagging, etc. and there's really nothing the devs can do about it. If you see something that is offensive, record video of it and submit a report on their website. They already said they aren't doing anything on reports when there is no video evidence. This includes cheating, griefing, etc.

Get video evidence. Submit a report. Move on. It's just a game. You getting angry is only giving them what they want.. A reaction out of you.

BALETED!

Specifically and a killer will do these to win if need be.

No, they killer will do this regardless of the state of the game. 'Needing' to is not even required.

Still feel the same way? Genuinely curious.

humping

Dude. Killers are literally humping survivors. Im not reading into something here. Im just witnessing it.

Can you support this with data?

It's quite concerning to me that you would dismiss such an issue anecdotally.

tbagging and the like never struck me as a direct endorsement of SA

The lengthy discussion we could have about desensitization aside,

I've always held a very playful opinion of tbagging, as it has proven to be a versatile emote that doesn't require the use of ugly HUD Wheels or hard to reach hotkeys.

That said…

Maybe you are not familiar, but some DBD Killers have taken to humping survivors on the ground since few Killers actually have the ability to crouch. While I applaud the first person to do this, for their creative problem solving, the visual is rather disturbing. It doesn't feel as playful as tbagging. I'm sure the humility aspect of Survivor plays into the emotional response here, but it is important to view something like this with context.

In a standard deathmatch, tbagging someone's body is tolerated because you have the opportunity to respawn and get revenge—not to mention how good it feels to watch a teammate obliterate someone who dropped their guard to dance on your body.

A similar thing occurs when Survivors tbag the Killer. The killer has all the tools they need to get the last laugh.

But when a Killer demeans a completely defenseless Survivor on the ground? It is absolutely abhorrent.

I'm evidence of that. This is like the third time I've left over something like this. These people actually take a toll on your mental.

Empathy is a rare perk (pun intended) a ton of players lack. They treat others like a bot. If you play sports, you play to win, BUT you don’t play to humiliate and destroy the opposing team, especially when you’re able to gauge the opponents’ skills; the players who go in with the mindset of not wanting to enjoy winning and just WIN are the ones you’ll probably see irl wanting to avoid any competition with others their league and rather dismantle the kitty league. That guy who enjoys playing sports with kids half his size going all out; that’s their fun.

Oh 1000%. Those types of players have never competed in anything in their lives. Zero respect for those types. And I wish more was done to weed them out. The community doesn't need them for the game to thrive. They actively hold the game back when they hard tunnel the baby survivor out or bully a baby killer to fulfill their power fantasy.

Its precisely why MMR is killing this game, and multiplayer gaming in general. MMR and ranking only LEADS to the inevitable outcome that everyone starts tryharding instead of playing for fun.

When you only give players one queue, sure. The way they implemented MMR in DbD was a huge half-baked mistake. People are going to tryhard in video games. The best thing you can do is try to separate them from casual players or give them separate queues that aren't tied to their rank as an incentive to ease up. But they're not going away, MMR or not. I was getting slugged til bleedout and dumpstered by bully squads long before SBMM was turned on. I think people have some rose-tinted glasses about the old rank system.

They do and we support it by accepting it.

Maybe we should grow a pair and finally stand up against this crap.

Everyone has a different definition of ingame toxicity. If devs define what toxicity is and punish people accordingly, people will start asking for more things to be added to the toxic list.

It's a never ending game of catchup. Not having an accessible replay system doesn't help either.

If the devs accept the stupid humping, they can just as well say in the adverts:

"It is common in our game, that your character will be sexually assaulted by other characters, but that's OK. Just dont take it too seriously."

How are people ok with this???