Why won't BHVR let Killers see how many survivors are in a SWF in the lobby?

To consistently win as a survivor, you don’t need to be a tournament player. Just follow simple rules.

1 In any unclear situation, repair the generator and always repair the generator separately.

2 If you don't repair the generator, take mans the killer.

Survivor gameplay is so simple when everyone is busy fixing the generator that most killers can't do anything about that situation. Just pure mathematics at work. You cannot defeat mathematics if you are not Nurse, which denies all the laws of existence.

I'm speaking from the perspective of having played SWF. Until 2023, I was a pure solo survivor. Survivors with friends are like the Tyranids from one universe, where you literally confront a hive mind that is capable of hitting three places at once while the fourth takes on the killer.

(Is SWF truly the big bad boogeyman, or is it just that killers perceive them as the big bad boogeyman because they can't admit they might not be as good as they think they are?)

Maybe it's time to check to see which of us is right. At least for a week, introduce the solo mode that I mentioned above? The killer is guaranteed 4 solo players, but will be severely punished in case of camping, tunneling and slugging? Mayby it will be as popular as the mode with random perks.

Understand, I don’t want easy games, but fair games. I agree to significant buffs for solo survivors if they give me 4 solo players. It will also improve my games as a solo player.

You have to understand if we don't start trying to do experiments as a test. This long-term war between us and them will continue. I guarantee you. That solo survivor will continue to be a miserable role due to the ever-threat of SWF. After all, you have to pay for everything. This is the law of balance of the universe. For you to be able to play with your friends, someone has to get hurt. In this case, a solo player.

Yeah, not sure about this one. SWF > add-ons any day. Maybe when the add-ons start talking to each other.

That's what I'm talking about. Evil in its truest form that condemns killers and solo survivors to suffering.

Today I was going to play SWF. The three of us usually play as the killer or solo player most of the time. Pain and suffering are on the killer's side, where the maximum he can hope for is one or two kills.

The most important thing is that the killer will not even be able to prove when checking the lobby that we are playing SWF. Because we have different friends and platforms. This is what SWF advocates usually keep quiet about.

How can such a light regime be defended?

The long term war between us and them will always continue so long as there are sides to be chosen. Overwatch has 3 distinct roles, and people still pull Us vs Them crap all the time.

If you aren't doing anything other than sitting on gens, it means there's a skill mismatch between the swf and the killer. Either chases went on for too long, or the killer wasn't good at defending gens.

It's naïve to think that killers would go easy if they knew they weren't facing a SWF. People like to pretend that's the case, but at the end of the day it's about winning or losing. For most, winning is what's fun and losing isn't fun.

While I rarely play Killer, I did start out as a killer main and I have played a lot against SWFs. A 2k is not the best you can hope for, but you do need to be more attentive as killer. Even if I'm mid-chase, I will drop the chase if I see another survivor working on a nearby generator. Unlike solos, SWFs typically aren't pressured simply by your terror radius.

Dead by Daylight would probably benefit from a replay system where you could review your gameplay footage and see where you went wrong.

Because everyone's experience is different. I can tell a difference when I play with someone but we still lose quite often. Just feels better knowing it wasn't because of teammates not doing anything the entire match.

My experience as killer is also different. I very rarely find it a struggle to play against any group anymore. I also don't play for kills though which changes my experience drastically from someone who does. But I personally find it more fun and stress free.

To the topic at hand:

With all the dc and lobby dodging complaints I see these days, I wouldn't mind if they tested showing killers all the survivor information, including who is swf, and vice versa. Keep lobby dodging as it is, make dc penalties harsher after the first one, and remove the hook suicide ability.

Now they can make MMR more strict on the matchmaking. Queue times would suck but that's just the way it is. Then everyone can freely cherry pick their games. There should be no reasoning for disconnecting or leaving a game because you could see everything that was brought into the game beforehand.

This could even be the difference between a casual and ranked mode. Ranked would basically be pulling all the randomness out of the load out screen, doesn't help with maps though, unless it shows a predetermined map on the load out screen as well. It would also help with anyone who prefers matchmaking over queue times and anyone who complains about leaving games early.

Then perhaps they could just base casual mode off the emblems like it use to be. Promoting more fun play styles while still keeping brand new players separated from others. They could keep the current lobby system in place for the more horror aspect and randomness of it. Maybe even make it so people are free to dc a time or 2 even. Then start punishing for it. But give the option to rejoin a match it case it was an internet issue or server issue.

You literally don't though. Maybe at high MMR, yes, but not everyone is striving for that.

Monsters are different. I'm all for creativity in perks, but I make up for the variety of builds with unfun tactics. Camping, tunneling and slug. I will use it to the fullest for the sake of victory.

Many people I played with would disagree with you. They literally weren't happy to play with me.

As here.

I'm ready to hit any lobby, but this will be the most not fun game for them.

Except killers will run 4 regression perks and still tunnel.

That's the point. Only such players remain as killers. What do four regressive perks take. Everyone else leaves the game sooner or later. Either they play as a killer once a year or even become survivors. That's why we have a dominance of campers and tunnelers, since they are the only ones who are ready to withstand the pace of the game on a constant basis.

Well, don’t forget for the murderous side, all the fun comes down to the killing. This thinking has not been corrected over the many years of the game's existence.

Yea, I am a Pig main and I don't go out of my way to tunnel or slug or facecamp, or do any of those things you insist all killers eventually do.

It seems it still escapes the grasp of some people here that if killers could see SWFs in the lobby, they would opt not to play against them.

Take for instance if survivors could see who the killer is before the trial begins. How many do you think would opt out of playing against Nurse, simply because there's every possibility they'll be a 9000 hour god nurse that never misses?

We know for a fact that not everyone who plays Nurse is a 9000 hour god Nurse. Some are just playing Nurse for a daily ritual. Do those people just not deserve to play the game? Because they would either never get games or only face meta sweats, if survivors could see them prior to the commencement of the trial.

I'd argue that the majority here would say those players still deserve to be able to play the game. So then why do we assume that every SWF is a 4-man bully squad running full meta builds?