Why do people believe bloodlust should be removed?

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Anything seen as a crutch won’t be very popular.

Yes, which are called such because someone like Freddy who can't hit over a pallet has to break them. Even at BL37, that pallet is getting kicked. That's not a reason for BL spoiling every other pallet that is perfectly playable. A Killer BLing the 2 car pallets outside the preschool shouldn't be a thing.

You can't even BUILD BL at those pallets since it would involve chasing a survivor around them.

Huh, thats a strange take. Breaking a pallet or doing anything that advances your game as a killer specifically CHANCELS bloodlust. If you want to keep bloodlusting to the higher tiers, you HAVE to ring around the rosie without breaking the pallet that would open up said loop.

Bloodlust was necessary back in the day as a band-aid against bad map design. Maps were generally larger and much safer for survivors, for example. Many had one or more infinite loops. Nowadays, maps are definitely to the point that killers do not need Bloodlust to catch survivors. It does fill a function of limiting the longest chases, which makes misplays as killer less costly. This is probably a good thing. However, I think Bloodlust I would be more than sufficient in today's DBD.

This is it right here. It is only necessary because there are still some extremely busted tiles and groups of tiles on maps that most killers can do nothing about without bloodlust. Fix maps and then bloodlust is not necessary.

Bloodlust is pretty fine as is and serves its purpose.

Bloodlust 1 exists to help give you a leg up when a chase drags on.

Bloodlust 2 exists if you're committing to a losing chase.

Bloodlust 3 exists if you've already lost the chase.

I think it's the mindset that people need to understand, if a killer if getting to Bloodlust 3 to down you then you've already won the chase. It isn't about outrunning the killer, it's about how much time you buy your team and in that scenario you've bought your team A LOT of time. Also, given that a lot of killers these days rely on their powers to help in chase it's very rare that you'll see anything like BL2 or BL3 so you don't need to worry about that.

And as soon as said God pallet is thrown, you either break it or the chase ends. There's no time in that scenario where bloodlust gets built. That's why mentioning God pallets as a reason for bloodlust makes 0 sense. You can't build bloodlust after a godpallet is thrown.

So we have the opinion that BL2 and BL3 should not exist because they for some reason are unfair to survivors who can keep looping / outrunning killer with BL1 ( which if and when happens means BL1 is not enough to catch up, thus by logic BL1 is useless ) and at the same time there's an opinion that BL2 and BL3 only reward bad play, despite the fact that if BL2 or BL3 was reached then it's most likely because BL1 was not enough ( again ).

In other words BL2 and BL3 are the ''fix'' for cases where BL1 does not work. Some people should really decide what they want - BL1 to be so effective that BL2 and BL3 will no longer need to exist or things stay as they are, because apparently BL1 in many cases may not be enough. If you ask when killer may need BL2 or BL3, the most obvious answer is when map RNG decides to make BL1 insufficient.

It may come as revelation to some players, but sometimes tile generation makes certain things a bit too unfair to deal with. Unless a static map system is introduced, this ''archaic band-aid fix'' is still required.

I think it's the mindset that people need to understand, if a killer if getting to Bloodlust 3 to down you then you've already won the chase.

I don't want the bloodlust system to change for very different reasons than what are being discussed, but I feel like there would be howls of outrage if a mechanic was introduced where if a killer got multiple downs in quick succession, all survivors got an boost where they did gens and healing quicker. There's be a ton of 'why am I being penalized for playing well?' posts even when it was pointed out 'you're already winning'.

Actually, we kind of dealt with that during the 8 gen kick change already.

i think bloodlust 1 and 2 shouldn't exist. bloodlust 3 should exist but it should be like fixed amount of time it activates. for example if you didn't hit a survivor for 60 seconds, you get 25% haste bonus. if certain killer are too weak without bloodlust 1, they could buff their base m/s very slightly. like 118% m/s. it is already exists for hag waterlogged shoe, I cannot see harm in other killers acquiring that.

It should only exist on M1 killers with no significant power. No one should need bloodlust to hit someone on killers like Blight, Hillbilly, etc. The higher tiers could be removed altogether.

no i am proposing 60 seconds flat. you don't need to be in the chase for this timer to tick. if you don't hit anyone within 60 seconds. you get bloodlust. bloodlust is 25% haste.

I don't really see that being practical in any way for the killer.

The point is that bloodlust is not suppose to be practical. it is suppose to be impractical and occur very rarely. Like it should occur only if there are infinities or busted setups that spawn such as….. Shack window facing a jungle gym window or 2 T-L walls facing each other which at this point, if the mechanic is triggering, we should be asking whether that setup/loop is balanced or not.

Strangely enough, i think the mechanic would occur very often in dbd survivor vs killer 1vs1's.

I think it’s fine

Ok, all true statements statements that have 0 to do with God pallets. Imagine THIS situation for a second. Your on Lerys chasing a survivor. The survivor throws a pallet that blocks the entire hallway, also known as a god pallet. The only way to get to the other side of the pallet is by going through a separate room which wouldn't ever catch ANY survivor unless they were blind and deaf.

Even if it were possible to keep building BL in this situation, BL 1000 is not going to let you phase through that wood. You have now stopped running though and the survivor is 100% safe so they have no reason to run except to make distance until you do the only move you have... which is to kick the pallet.

Yes, if the killer had bloodlust... they'd lose it. Bloodlust does not help on God pallets. This is why bringing up godpallets as the reason we need bloodlust makes 0 sense. No amount of bloodlust would help you get a hit once any of these pallets are used.

Bloodlust was meant to counter overly strong WINDOW loops, which have mostly been eliminated at this point. Even THEN though, BL1 could accomplish that. A killer hitting BL3 is just someone who is getting outplayed and is too stubborn to kick the pallet. Not talking about God pallets here because... no one is looping these once they're tossed.

You used godpallets as the reason BL should exist. That's why I was talking about them. I'm sorry for talking about the point YOU made. If we're talking about window loops...sure. Lead with that. Why bringing up god pallets at all?

So you brought up god pallets for 0 reason when asked why BL should exist... thanks... Having a pallet to reset BL does NOT mean BL should exist to begin with.

Strong windows ARE a legit reason for BL, but those have been continuously altered by adding things like doorways directly next to windows. There's only a handful of killers who's power wouldn't help them get a hit on just about every existing window loop in the game, and most of THOSE are because their power is already applied to get a down rather than just a hit (Myers, Ghostface, Plague, Legion). Every other killer would be actively using their power, therefore not gaining bloodlust. What's that leave... Pig? Maybe just tie bloodlust to Pig and remove it from every other killer.

I welcome you to screenshot a windows loop that is unplayable without bloodlust. You mentioned Autohaven, but that's a whole realm and not a map. I don't know what building you're refering to.

That ALSO makes no sense since I was talking about car loops and how BL3 shouldn't be used on them. This is another point that bringing up god pallets is random. God pallets has nothing to do with car loops, OR bloodlust 3.

"If some one is hitting 2 and 3 consistently, there is something very wrong with their gameplay" In some cases, that is somewhat true. BUT, the problem is, 99% of the players will not have enough time to learn all the small nuances of the chase mechanics and hundreds of perks, because of multiple reasons (usually work, school, family etc…) So, therefor BL is good for those who want to play this game casually.

If they took BL away, that would impact negatively most of the playerbase who play Killer. And taking it away, may also impact player count negatively