Survivor is no longer fun

What do you mean 'source?'.

Do a quick forum search. People would complain about survivor queue times constantly.

People want lopsided games where they win. People don't actually want to have more games that end in a draw. That isn't exciting, that isn't memorable.

All of what you are saying here is anecdotal evidence because that's not my experience at all. I do agree that most public lobby solo queue survivors don't play perfect but the thing is that they don't have to be considering how many second chance perks have been added over the years. That's your mentality when it comes to playing killer but i like winning because i consider that to be a fun aspect of playing DBD and that thought process has solidified itself more into my brain ever since they added SBMM into the game espeically with kills and escapes being the determining factor whether or not i gain or lose MMR. Not carrying whether i get a 3k or 4k is your mindset when it comes to killer and personally that doesn't sound like a Killer main in my ears, just like i'm not a survivor main (where i don't care whether i win or lose because a lot of it is just determined by what kinda teammates i get) but i switched to it because i think in my personal opinion that it is less stressful. A lot of these things are subjective, anecdotal and can't really be discussed especially since our MMR is hidden, i genuinely believe if they made MMR visible it would be a lot easier to have discussion like this cause you would know which players you would listen to and not listen due to where they are in MMR bracket. It would also expose a lot of these content creators since you would know if they actually have an idea of what they are talking about or if they are just at low MMR and beating on 10 hour survivors that just bought the game.

Yes, definitely. That's why games that are less snowbally are better for player retention and enjoyment. Overall, people enjoy that more in the long run.

1. 100 % agree with that, it also doesn't help that the matchmaking is all over the place meaning you either can stomp most of your survivors 1 day and the other day get teams 24/7. "The higher your mmr becomes the more dbd shows it's nasty side." That's why i stopped playing killer, 24/7 stress fests is not my idea of fun.

"Therefore I stopped trying to win by all means and just played. I went into the match with the mindset to just have fun. Believe it or not, but I've been enjoying the game a lot more since then. I also won a lot more. A calm and collected mind that focuses on playing well wins more than someone forcing wins by any means while being in the verge of smashing their monitor the moment the next dh hits. That's just my experience though." 2. I agree with that but the skill ceiling with both Freddy and Pig is very low and getting to that ceiling doesn't take that much time to get to meaning the only thing you can hope for at that point is to face bad/new players which thankfully there is a lot of in DBD. 3. I agree to some extent but once again, all of this is just subjective opinions. my whole mindset when i go into a solo queue match is " i wonder what kinda teammates i get in this match". 4. A lot of people within the community already knew that a SBMM system based on kills/escapes is only going to drive the game into a very "unfun" meta for both sides that includes slugging, bming, tunnelling, constant sweat, More SWF's, meta builds etc etc.

Today just sums it up why it isn't fun at the moment. Playing against the most unfun killers to face, that just tunnel and camp hook. People instantly give up and the whole thing is an entire waste of time.

I'm hoping after this event finishes, things will settle down and return to normal. This event has been the worst time I can remember on DBD since I started playing in 2021. Matches are consistently awful, more than likely someone gives up within the first minute and it's a complete waste of time for both sides after that. This event has been shockingly bad.

He is getting something big. That much is certain. Hes the main focus of the update and pretty much everyone want to see him changed. Sadly old Freddy will not make a return much to many of our forum veterans disappointment.
Hopefully its gonna be a Sadako-like situation, where they combine the first and second iteration. I hope he gets what he deserves. He desperately needs it.

The devs have credibility. They do some wonky stuff from time to time, but theyve shown over the last few years, that they do understand and listen to feedback on top of pushing the game in the right direction. It happens slowly, but it happens. DBD egoing is some of the most nasty stuff ive seen in online games. Id rather not have to deal with that thx.

I fell in love with the Rift portals from Halloween. It spiced up the survivor dynamic well enough for me.

I think don't realize that their actual problem with survivor is that it's an incredibly binary role. As a survivor, you're usually doing one of three things:

Repairing generators

Healing or healing others

Being chased by the killer

Only one of those interactions actually have any skill expression/interactivity involved. Outside of being chased, you're just watching a bar fill up over time so you can implement all these conditions and mechanics to give yourself an easier time during survivors but at the end of the day, you're still doing the same things over and over. So if you're playing survivor most of the time it's gonna get stale and to that I would say mix it up with killer matches.

I feel like the comparison is very disengenous. Great survivors can do extremely well but it all depends on the map, the killer and how much the killer decides to commit chasing said survivor. I don't think you can do much in regard to map design and tiles to make it any better than it is now. A lot of the maps are pretty fine? Like a lot of the more aggregious maps aren't really a problem anymore and unless you're just advocating for more god pallets there isn't a lot else that can be done other than tweaking tilesets.

Just may I ask, for how long have you been following dbd on any form of social media? These complains have been there for years. Survivors giving up has been common snce 6.1.0. While it has gona up a bit, the wave of giving up when that match came out was monstrous.

The devs have been doing a lot better over the last few years if you look at the broader picture. Compare it to the first 4 years and you WILL know what I mean. Tiles, maps and the gap between swf and soloq has already been adressed multiple times. They know its an issue and are looking into it. You have to understand, that these are difficult problems to fix without any clear solutions. Therefore it takes time.

Complaining about swf, loadouts and a stale meta is absolutely nothing new. Its the reason 6.1.0 happened in the first place.

I've been following DBD on their Twitter page for 4 years now, started in 2021. I joined their Reddit page in 2020 so that's 5 years. Survivors giving has been there since day 1, it's been excarberated by the implementation of a SBMM system based on kills and escapes. "The devs have been doing a lot better over the last few years if you look at the broader picture. Compare it to the first 4 years and you WILL know what I mean. Tiles, maps and the gap between swf and soloq has already been adressed multiple times. They know its an issue and are looking into it. You have to understand, that these are difficult problems to fix without any clear solutions. Therefore it takes time." I would certainly hope so as a consumer that the product i bought 2 year after the initial release has had improvements especially if it's 9 years old. What does the 6.1.0 update got to do with the "give up" epidemic?

To the OG post, it sounds like you are just burnt out?

There is a lot that can be done for this game for sure. It feels like it takes for an eternity though for stuff to get done.

The same Update that Corrupt, Ruin, Noed, PGTW, Pain Res and Tinkerer got nerfed, yeah i remember that update but yeah it was also the gen kick meta but guess what? Those perks that started the gen kick meta have been nerfed so badly that they are not worth using anymore not to mention that Killers have gotten a limit to how many times that they can kick a generator. DH and DS being unusable? They got nerfed sure, but they are still part of the survivor meta meanwhile Killers meta nowadays have been reduced to Pain Res, Thrill, Ruin and Pentimento, very drastically different to where the meta was 3 years ago except for Pain Res being the only meta perk that has seen consistent use ever since it got itroduced with Artist chapter. Now 3 years later the meta has only changed on the killer side regarding perk usage whereas on the survivors they are still using meta perks like DS, DH, OTR, Adrenaline, Deliverance, Lithe, Sprint Burst, Unbreakable and Resilience. My point is that the meta didn't really change on the survivor side but on the kiler side it did.

What made my survivor games better is by playing killer tbh.

When you play killer, you get a sense of what the survivors are doing. You might even run into a survivor who is really good and loops you for 3 gens, but thats where you learn. And for me, i love going against good survs who know how to loop cause you learn how to be a good survivor from their gameplay.

Also, playing killer teaches you how a killer thinks. Since you have a general idea of what you'd do as a Killer, 9/10 that's what the killer you're facing is thinking too, so there's mind game potential. I think alot of people only play one side mostly, and that's where the frustration comes from. Now, to address the issue of slugging.

If i encounter a slugging killer, it's usually the lobby's fault for giving the killer that option. In every slug match ive encountered, this is always the case. People play too altruistically, going for saves too soon or too late (timing is everything). Or someone is waiting for the flash save, not doing gens at all (this is how slugging starts in most of my games). Or not resetting (opting to play injured when they could have healed). The killer punishes the misplay. Think of it like a fighting game. If one side makes a mistake, the opponent counters and starts to combo.

Or the killer is having a bad day and is trying to slug (you punish by gen rushing which deletes their slug pressure). Well then, you could always go next and/or dc :) (which is an epidemic rn and people who do this need to be cured).

After reading this, if you don't think there's room for you to improve your gameplay, you just wasted your time reading my post.

Have a good day. Stay safe in the fog ;).