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Tunneling and Gameplay
First tunneling, how about Killers get a queue penalty for early game tunneling (survivors could report them, it could get checked by someone and next time the killer searches he gets the penalty), encouraging killers to stop tunneling while giving the ones that dont, a queue advantage.
Now gameplay, perks need a balancing change, 90% are not really getting played on both sides. The gen rush and slow down perks both should get nerfed, encouraging players to try new tactics and make the game more enjoyable for both sides. Its getting monotonous and Killer addons need nerfs.
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penalty and reported for playing the game? i dont think survivors would like that if they could get reported for early game gens being done lol
As for gameplay, it is what you make of it. many opt for the scooby do chases around a pallet, some opt for a more stealthy gameplay. There is a choice already there.
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Ive had times where i didnt tunnel, didnt camp, didnt grief, didnt slug, played out a fair game, didnt slug for 4k, still won. And they go off on me in the chat reporting me for cheats because they don't know how "nowhere to hide" perk works, and even going as far as to attack me personally reporting anything they could on my steam profile and everything. Wasnt disrespectful to them for a second even as they tossed insults at me.
^theres tons of these people in the game and they would love to report every killer they lose against regardless.
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you guys have to start playing both sides of the game man
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Its funny how collectively scrub the survivor community is
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Oh right, because survivors wouldn't report simply in every game they died…
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How about when survs disconnect early in the match because they're mad, the killer gets to personally come to their house and smash their computer with a cricket bat?
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they get a queue penalty so it’s fair
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Maybe some, but like most games you’d control the ones that get a lot reports which mostly will be the right ones statistically speaking
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Yea there’s a lot of toxic survivors, but that’s a general community problem against which the game/devs can’t really do anything about because they’d risk loosing many players. But you could build a system recognizing regular reports of players with no real reason and valuing those less
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the report thing was only meant for early game tunneling.
With Gen rushing I only meant perk builds and adorns and stuff like that should get nerfed, but at the same time also the slow down perks of killers. And obviously buff a lot of other perks like invocations and so on, good concept but terrible execution.
It just feels like the game forces you to gen rush and simultaneously in reaction forces killers to play slow down. As a survivor most chase perks are only valid against m1 killers while against a nurse for example all chase perks are mostly useless. For example what’s the sprint burst worth it if the nurse is behind you in a second again, same for blight.
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I do… not often but I do. Playing killer is objectively easier and subjectively in my opinion a lot easier.
With some low tier killers playing against swf survs is harsh but that’s a rare case and only if you play low tier killers. Most of the matches as a survivor I play against high tier killers. Against a nurse, for example, of a very good player with a meta build it’s basically impossible to win if you aren’t prepared and specifically have a perk builds against a nurse with your whole team… which you obviously don’t know before you play.
Also worst thing is when killers do mistakes but it feels like they didn’t, because some killers don’t get punished enough, missing a blink? Who cares do the next one and so on. While doing a mistake as a survivor can cost you the whole match which is super fun if you get tunneled right of the match and then you have to wait till your friends finish the match… even tho we don’t disconnect I don’t blame survivors disconnecting in those situations.
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grabbing to insults already? Early game tunneling is much worse than disconnecting from a match, read my other comments, maybe you you should play survivor, maybe everyone disagreeing should play a custom match against me and I will be the killer and show you how it is to get tunneled? I think that’s a good idea.
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people do what they need to do to win. if your deciding to not bring your full arsenal to the table then ye you should lose. your decision to not bring gen rush build is your choice but if the killer is bringing their A game to win and you have intentionally opted to play less efficiently than you could be then ye expect to lose
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"Tunnel is bad so im gonna tunnel you to show my moral superiority" what a way to prove yourself a hypocrite.
You cant denounce tunneling as evil to people who dont share that opinion.
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That’s what one should do in ranked, but there literally is only a casual mode, why does everything have to be 100% competitive, that’s some serious ego problem if all you play for is just winning in a casual mode. Secondly it makes the game more boring so you support that only 5% of perks really are getting played and bring the needed value to win?
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I offered you to see it from my point of view, where is that being a hypocrite? If that means I am a hypocrite, every state that jails guys for keeping people captive against their will is als hypocritical.. you are basically saying every opinion is true/valued with your statement, but it sure isn’t.
All you do is try to insult me and talk me down, cheap tactics in discussions, as cheap as tunneling is 😏
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How is there only casual mode? custom is casual mode where people can play together and not gain rewards. matchmaking is not casual mode, you go up and down in MMR, you gain BP rewards, do challenges, adds to your stats. You may view it as casual but that doesnt make it so, if it was casual there would be no rewards or incentives for winning.
People can bring whatever perks they find useful to their individual playstyle, if they want to compete and play against someone else that wants to compete then yes they should bring whatever perks works for them. If someone wants to play casual and meme around then they can bring whatever perks they choose to, doesnt mean they will win but winnning isnt the reason why they bring meme perks is it so its not a problem if they lose.
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Ranked means you get a rank? You don’t get a rank, the „mmr“ that you can’t see yourself is only to have sbmm. Which basically every game does nowadays also in their casual modes just like bf6, bo7 and many more. You get rewards in casual modes in every game?? What are your arguments??? Meme perks shouldn’t exist, that is my point, every perk should atleast have some use. But some perks are even considered killer perks… You literally have nothing to actually see how „good“ you are no elo, no rank no nothing… so it is casual! Custom is a custom mode, it is casual too but it’s completely different hence it’s a private lobby so you can’t say that’s is the casual mode.
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by definition the rank would then put people into the same rank as them pretty much what mmr does….you just cant see it. There are many games where there is a casual mode where no matter what you do in that mode it will not effect anything, not your rank, not your mmr, not rewards nothing just like in custom dbd. then they have ranked mode where your win/loss actually makes a difference just like in regular dbd. your rewarded based on performance, the better you do the more rewards you get. put simply my argument is that what your asking for already exists, its called custom mode, look online for people that are willing to play casual custom mode and you have exactly what you want.
technically there is the official dbd stats (although its incorrect)…this does provide your escape rate/kill rate, matches played, things like that which can show how good you are which is probably why they dont count custom matches in the stats.
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just because of mmr and sbmm it’s not ranked. Look at the black ops games for example, they do mmr and sbmm in their casual modes that affect your rewards, also you can see the stats of your games in that mode too, so by your logic it’s a ranked mode, but what is the mode called ranked mode in the game then, some kind of super ranked mode? You are basically saying because a plane has a motor, tires and windows it’s a car…
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This is not black ops, this is dbd, its an asymmetrical 1 v 4 game which makes it unique. saying what other games have is pointless because other games are generally free for all or 4 v 4 or 8 v 8. fact is, you have a casual mode where winning doesnt matter and you can meme around not trying to win….custom. search for SWF players on these forums and you will probably find some that would be willing to play casual easy going matches with you. But when you join the matchmaking q, your in no mans land, anything goes…including sweating and trying hard to win. People play how they want, that might not be how you want to play but thats like going into a ranked match and saying "lets take it easy" then getting annoyed when people play to win.
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it is not ranked, slowly you got to get that. There is not one singular game that has a ranked mode but NO casual mode and NO a custom lobby isn’t casual mode. YOU GET NO RANK. ALSO unlike in Tournaments, too strong or random stuff doesn’t get banned, so it sure isn’t a ranked mode. Only because you think it is and pretend like it is, it doesn’t mean it is. In every game ppl got much more competitive than it used to be for the sole reason to win. Like come on where is those guys ego if all they care about is to win (like I think nurse or blight wouldn’t get played that much if they wouldn’t be that strong). Do some research atleast, ppl even made third party ranked servers, hmmm I wonder why 🧐 stop being slow in your head and accept the truth instead of „huh what I think has to be right because i think so🤓“ ALSO nobody wants to look for strangers to play a what you call „casual mode“ match and even get no rewards. If I play with/against stranger I want my reward.
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if you want rewards with playing with strangers then just do regular mode ranked or not, im not sure what you advocating for exactly…to be able to have easy casual matches that you dont need to try hard to win and get the same rewards as everyone else? you cant have it both ways, you want rewards? earn them by playing in the same pool as people that competing and try hard. you still have the ability to play the game casually, your choice to play it or not…decide if you want casual custom with no rewards or regular mode with rewards.
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Now you are literally trying to gaslight and put words in my mouth? All I said was, that being fully competitive, like so competitive that in multiple games I played ranked ppl wouldn’t even be that competitive, for the sole reason of winning is sad in my eyes and that those ppl probably have a ego problem. The reward thing was just since you tried to argue that „since there are rewards, its ranked“. Like come on, most killers even when having completely new survivor players still try hard like they get a million euros for that, while they don’t even get more blood points for trying that hard many times. I am questioning the behavior of those killers and that behavior happens way too often. I’ve introduced some friends, one hates and stopped playing it because of that. L community in my opinion both sides many survivors are scum too
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that is your opinion. i think someone joining a pvp match against randomly selected players then complain about the opponent trying to win is pretty sad. Like i said if you want to play casually then your best bet is play with friends where you can all agree on your own rules and play a casual match. If you want to step in the ring with the random players that may or may not play differently to you then you have to accept there will be people that want to win and will try hard to do so. This isnt some daycare centre for kids where you give them a chance to make them feel better when playing games. Its a pvp game.
Technically you can play casually in regular mode…. the whole thing with casual play is that your not bothered if you win or lose, you just casually play. so you could do this in whatever mode just dont be surprised when others think and play differently to you and try to win which shouldnt be an issue because your not looking to win your looking to play casually. or do you expect to play casually and still win?
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it’s normal to try hard against beginners? No it’s not, it’s like playing a sport with a kid and completely destroying them. Like I had manyyyy matches where a new survivor to the game with not even 10 hours gets tunneled out the match right at the beginning, since it’s the easiest and most effective way to win…. You can’t tell me that that’s normal. You can’t tell me playing like a btch is normal. Imagine you are new to the game, but most rounds you die very fast since you are new and don’t know how to play yet, then you have to watch your friends play while waiting, don’t you see the toxicity and lack of empathy in tunneling? I rarely die early on the match, but if I do it’s boring and annoying, i mean if a good killers decided to tunnel you early, you basically have no chance to escape. I played and play A LOT of multiplayer games and the DBD community is by far one of the most toxic ones there is, only FIFA or something like clash royale is more toxic, but those games have ranked modes. And that, even tho, dbd used to be one of the nicest communities and you support that corruption? You are basically saying hate the Game not the player, but at the end it’s the player deciding to play like a twat so I hate both.
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its normal to try hard to win v the opponent. If beginners are being matched with veterans then thats a matchmaking issue that has nothing to do with casual or non casual players. They should be matched with players of similar skill level but again thats nothing to do with casual players thats new players.
The reality is people dont know who their opponent is, they dont know how many hours they have, they dont know if they are casually playing the game or playing to win. Its unreasonable to ask the opponent to take it easy and not try because they might be new players. If killers did that every match suddenly multiple gens pop and they find out the survivors are not new they are playing to win then the killer has pretty much handed them the game.
Everyone was new to the game at some point, myself included, i know what its like to be new. I learnt how to play and win by not only playing both sides but by actually dealing with these tactics and being tunneled. Now i counter being tunneled pretty well, i didnt learnt that by being treated like a child and "given a chance". I do see the lack of empathy in tunneling, killers trying to win and the survivors cant handle it and dont enjoy it. On the other hand, do survivors feel any empathy for the killer if they can loop a low skilled killer the whole match? Or do they feel empathy for the killer when gens fly so fast the killer feels like the match is a lost cause? They dont care if the killer is having a good time, they are just playing the game and trying win just like a tunneling killer is.
Yes i am saying hate the game not the player, your expecting random players to play how you want them to play. There is a reason why there is a meme of "the survivor rulebook"…. its an ongoing joke because so many people make up their own rules and expect random people to abide by them, if they dont abide by them then they are toxic. When will people learn that making up their own rules does not apply to everyone that plays the game. As killer i could make up my own rules and say gen rushing is toxic, stunning me with a pallet is toxic, looping is toxic….i could be a new player so follow my rules. Thats unrealistic and a very child like way of viewing things. So once again, the issue is solved by the custom mode where you can make up your own rules and you can play with people on the same mindset as you. My advice is dont expect random people to play by your made up rules, they often wont so start learning to play by the actual game rules.
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now the problem is the devs are trying to go against tunneling, just didn’t find a way to do properly. Playing a game should be casual if it’s not ranked and I played killer and you can notice within the first few seconds of a chase if that player is good or a beginner. Like I don’t understand you are defending that killers instantly tunnel away one survivor who will have to wait till the match is over which often is atleast 10 minutes, just so winning is easier? Especially when you can also win without tunneling and camping, it’s not even hard if you play a proper killer, which everyone does anyway, well no everyone plays the strongest killers, to win obv. Like if you play 100hrs nurse, you should be able to win more than 90% of matches without tunneling or camping. Which shows that survivors already are at a disadvantage. Survivors looping the killer is often extremely difficult, especially with killers like nurse (impossible) the ghoul, clown, the lich, the doctor (basically impossible too) and some more. So you have to actually play good and often very good for looping, one mistake and you are dead. While tunneling you only have to be an ahhole to be able to do that. The BEST killer players say tunneling is toxic, but those also realize it’s not the best tactic only the easiest. And tell me how are new survivors supposed to learn, when they basically are dead the moment a tunneler finds them, you don’t learn racing with F1 cars against Max Verstappen, you learn with equals that can be your rival. Also the survivor „rulesbook“ has its origin from when the community was actually nice and it used to be a real thing and not a meme. Killers themselves would play by those „rules“. And no the norm shouldn’t be that you play to win, it’s not a ranked mode so NO, stop trying to say that and pretend like it’s the truth and by now you also should have figured out that the mode definitely isnt a ranked mode. Also as a killer get much more „wins“ than survivors look at the statistics, survivors also get much more frustration matches in a row, so yea I do believe survivors have it worse than killers, especially since getting hunted is in general the less fun part than hunting.
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sorry but no, people can play games however they want within the rules of the game. Unless bhvr makes tunneling a reportable offense then people are free to do so. They could have stopped it in the first PTB but it was nuked too much which says they want it nerfed but not gone entirely.
Being tunneled out of the match early doesnt mean you have to wait around, you can q up for the next match instantly. Even in SWF if a player is tunneled out they can play a solo match while others finish up the game. If you choose to wait it out then thats your choice.
You say people can win without tunneling and camping….Not in my experience. I played for years and as killer i didnt tunnel, camp or slug and i won some, i lost some…it was balanced. Then suddenly i started getting 4 man SWF on comms very often and sometimes the same team multiple times in a row. I was losing match after match for months because gens went so fast my slow M1 killer couldnt keep up. I dont like playing S tier killers and speed freaks like blight and people shouldnt be forced to play these killers to stand a chance. Then i started tunneling and it turned the game back to being balanced where i win some, i lose some. So not everyone can win without tunneling at all.
Survivors looping the killer difficult? no its a walk in the park, its literally going in a circle. i have clips of my own matches where i have looped killers like lich and doctor long enough that they drop chase so they are not impossible to loop. If people cant loop they should stealth so they dont get tunneled. Thats what i do, i rely on looping when stealth fails. The problem is so many people run out like headless chickens, leave scratch marks, actually want to loop and get chased then when they go down fast they get annoyed and say "i dont want to be chased anymore, let me do gens while you chase someone else". You wouldnt expect the killer to say "ok 3 gens are done and i have 1 hook, dont do gens, let me catch up and get another hook" thats absurd and unrealistic.
The best killers say tunneling is toxic? not sure who you would consider the best killers but that would be their opinion much like i could say looping is toxic or flashlight saves are toxic, its an opinion and people are entitled to think what they want but it doesnt change facts that these things are part of the game like or not.
New survivors are supposed to learn by playing the killers they struggle with to learn the powers and how best to counter them. When playing survivor i learnt by experiencing what exactly needs to be countered. Shielding people from these tactics will not teach them anything. As a result, i have learnt to deal with tunneling pretty well and i escape very often and enjoy my matches. You aften find "survivor mains" say the struggle and tunneling is impossible to counter because they dont play killer enough to actually learn the best ways to beat individual killers. Even some SWF players dont play soloq enough to know the best ways to win in that type of mode so they say soloq is impossible….I on the other hand play soloq pretty well because i dont rely on my team as much as some SWF players do.
Survivor rulebook has always been a joke lol there has never been a time where killer or survivors were all "friendly". Its peak entitlement, play my way, my rules and if you dont i will throw a tantrum. Thats pretty much how it has always beeen. Back in the days of when killers could grab to stop hook saves and when survivors had god loops that were infinite and never trigger bloodlust…you think these people played nicely? They didnt.
Your still hooked on this rank mode thing…. ranked or not you are choosing to step in the match with random people to COMPETE with random people. These people may want to win because they just want to win, they may meme because they just want to meme. They do not play by your made up rules no matter how hard you want them to. That is what i am fundamentally against….the concept of telling other players how to play the game, telling them to play how you want them to play and calling them toxic if they dare not play to your rules. I like to win in games, ranked or not, i like to play my own way. I wont accept any random person telling me its wrong to want to win and i must play in way that they like not how i like. Its simply not going to happen, i wont be dictated to by random people. Freedom of choice, how i play the game is MY choice. You have a choice to play how you want to play and i wont tell you to play by my rules because i dont believe in dictatorships.
Survivors are the underdogs, they should struggle to escape. Thats the role. If you choose to play this role that is your choice and you do so willingly knowing this is the case. Dont like it? your free to pick killer role instead or free to play another game.
Once again, you have the option to find people to join SWF and play custom matches so you can all play friendly killer and play your rules. Your choice. If you choose to play with other random people then you have to accept not everyone thinks or plays like you so imo its pretty toxic to try to dictate to these random people how they should or should not play the game. It shows lack of acceptance and lack of tolerance for people different to you which in my view is pretty toxic.
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I ain’t reading all that. Anyway playing with friends nobody would solo queue because they got tunneled how selfish would that be.. but typical killer mentality. There are maybe 2 loops that you can actually loop the doctor at, at those he only has to commit to the chase and respect the pallet, on most loops if you are a good doctor player, the stun of the shock is breaking the loops, with such a duration. If the doctor isn’t able to do that or doesn’t respect the pallet on those 1-2 loops per map he’s just very bad. You are comparing completely different things also. Tunneling is something that the devs want to get rid of, they tried it, it was way too OP for survivors, that’s why they had to delete that part again. While looping is the only thing survivors can work with and flash light saves aren’t even that bad imo. Like when someone flashlight saves someone while I am killer I will often get the person pretty fast again and hunt the other one when they are still there. You can play all you want if only winning is what you are playing for it’s your choice, in my opinion that’s cowardly, but yea. Also killers obv weren’t all saints, I said the community in general was much nicer and that a lot played to that „rulebook“. I am sorry but if all you play for is winning, then you are lost. That shouldn’t be normal. Also survivors should struggle yeaaaa duh, but killers too, the game shouldn’t be easier for either side, only because of lore that killers don’t struggle like their victims. Idfc I don’t want to have to play the same ######### everyone plays, see the same ######### every round, get frustrated too often only because of that #########. Oh also with survivors not playing enough killers, I am sorry but dlc killers for some random reason (we all know why) are typically stronger than the free ones. No survivor main should have to buy or spend shards on killers to learn how to play against tunneling. And shouldn’t games be beginnerfriendly, since dbd definitely isn’t which is bad, how do you defend that? Also beginners need to learn the game first in general, you can’t expect them to learn how to counter tunneling already. I am also pretty sure you didn’t learn how to counter it against every killer because that’s impossible. Nurse, for example, with her getting basically no penalty for mistakes or bad tactics, if you can blink good and have common knowledge, you can easily win most matches.
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the fact you said your not going to read all that shows the exact issue…people are not willing to read, not willing to learn, not willing to adapt.
- its not selfish to play a solo match while the team finishes a match…most dont because most are on comms and they use spectate mode to pass info to the team still playing.
- im actually survivor main at the moment so the "killer mentality" comment makes no sense.
- If the devs wanted to get rid of tunneling they could simply make it reportable in the same way as griefing. The fact they have openly said "tunneling, camping and slugging is not reportable" says it is a tactic that killers can choose to use. Just because they want it nerfed doesnt mean they want to get rid of it or the fact they nerfed loops by adding the entity block after 3 repeated vaults would mean they want to get rid of looping.
- Looping is not the only thing survivors can work with at all. Im a survivor main and i use stealth, i do gens without being seen, when in chase i lose line of sight so killer cant find me then i get back to doing gens. This not only wastes the killers time by looking for me and helps avoid being tunneled but also means i can do gens which someone that relies entirely on looping cant. Cant do gens and loop the killer.
- Playing a vs game to win is pretty normal. casual players that dont care about winning usually play single player games or peaceful co-op games. People that want to v other people and COMPETE which is exactly what vs means…they play to win.
- You dont have to play like everyone esle, you can play your own way like everyone else can play their way. doesnt change the fact that people will not be dictated to by random people. Sorry but if your in my match and you make up a rule like only clease 1 totem each or no flashlights or dont tunnel or dont loop or whatever rules you make up….im not going to listen to you, im going to play my way. Dont like it? thats a you problem, accept it or dont play but dont dictate how people should play the game because it wont happen, this isnt 1940s Germany.
- i agree killers should not be pay to win, ghoul for example needs hard nerfs but with 1 or 2 exceptions top S tier killers are actually killers like blight and nurse which are available to all players and not pay to win. DBD is not just 1 side, if you only play 1 side your only getting half the game, half the experience, half the knowledge and only going to be half as good as what you can be.
- As previously said, i play stealth so killers that i struggle to loop such as nurse i play into stealth more which is much easier to do knowing how nurses power works and the distance of the aura read. Weirdly i has a match v nurse an hour ago and i did 3 gens while being stealthy… the rest of the so called team did not play stealth and they went down almost instantly. End result was i was the last one standing and escaped via hatch. Your looking at the game in such a narrow view, expect to only play half the game only use 1 tactic (loop), play pretty casually, dictate how others should play, refuse to even read all of a post that might offer insight and advice on how to improve YOUR experience. Any wonder if you get frustrated and struggle?
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oh yea let’s make so that survivors have to be much better than killers, so that have survivors play as a team of 4 constantly and still give killers the advantage? Just because killers have to boost their ego and cry as soon as survs have even one good perk? I just played against a killer, a clown, hooked two survivors on hooks 10 meters apart, patrolling the hooks, instantly making the chance of 3+ survivors escaping to 0% even two would be like idk 1-5%. Now those two were randoms, but why should I need to have 3 other good players to be able to enjoy the game. Every killer sweats their ass off just to boost their ego, making it impossible to not play swf most of times and still enjoy playing. 4 matches I played, very similar perks, 3 times vecna with the same add ons everytime and that clown. Didn’t enjoy even a bit of any of those matches. Combining clown had 80 ping, hitting me through windows I vaulted through long ago and shouldn’t hit me, that’s how he got me the first time, then he only continued to camp and always tunnel the one from hook away. Playing stealth only works if you have good tm8s or if you don’t give af about the others. Also if you want to discuss further I don’t want to discuss on this forum anymore it’s annoying
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Who said survivors play as a team? soloq players are not part of a team…they are thrown into a match with 3 other survivors but in no way does the game say its a team. Survivors might have their own individual goals (cleanse totems, adept, hatch escape, stuns). So when someone is working on totems all match and not touching gens when everyone else is trying to do gens and escape, how is that a team? Survivors are scored as individuals, MMR, BP, badges, EXP, challenges are all per players not per team. Even certain perks are designed to work better when other players die such as sole survivor, solo survivors dont have comms to be able to work as a team (unlike SWF).
This is your mistake, your thinking its a team effort when its not always the case. Im solo player and i often escape and have fun doing so….do i need 3 good team mates? no, because i dont play as a team, i play for me and rely less on other people.
You are correct that stealth works better if you dont a f about people….which i dont, so it works for me. If you want to be a hero and go for saves and be liked by all thats your choice but your putting yourself at risk by doing so and potentially making the game a worse experience for yourself.
You talk about killers crying but it seems your doing more crying than all the killers put together at this point. I dont mind either way regarding continuing the discussion or not, i will keep playing survivor, keep playing stealthy, keep having fun. I have pointed out what works for me, its up to you if you take that on board or not…its your lack of enjoyment we are talking about here, not mine.
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what tf are you saying… that’s literally the reason why you think so. You don’t give a f abt others. That’s selfish. Next thing playing in the team makes the odds much higher to escape, escapes are the MMR so you should play in a team. If you play solo the thing you’d go for is the hatch, which is much riskier than gens in a team. Also tbh someone who doesn’t do gens, I won’t get from a hook, he is a nuisance. If you think survivors aren’t a team idk man… it’s like saying in football playing selfish is better because you will have better stats but the chance of winning slims down. You are actually idk man, it literally is a team game, if you don’t play it in a team idk stop playing the game. You are toxic
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Oh yea I am crying, the stats literally show a advantage to killers and killers still say survivors are too strong many times. I am just trying to explain to you the problems I believe. The devs literally said killers have an advantage because of lore, since killers usually have the advantage, which I think is fkn bs to do something like that. Like what
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yes it is selfish….i dont start the game up to entertain others, i start it up to entertain myself.
Playing in a team relying on team mates to do gens and loop well while they often dont loop well and never touch gens can make decrease the odds of escape. imagine looping for 5 straight min and not 1 gen being touched…. well done team.
i play solo and do gens as primary target. failing that, yes hatch is next priority, failing that i can open the hatch again with a key or try the gates when the hatch is closed. Like i said i play solo and escape often…..however disregarding escapes, the match is still more fun for me.
We do agree on one thing, only unhook the ones that are contributing to getting the gates powered and opened…. if someone isnt doing gens and they are doing totems, leave them on hook unless unhooking them buys me more time to finish the gens.
interesting that you compare dbd to football…..football has a clear win/loss for the team. dbd does not, thats my point. Nowhere does it say SURVIVORS TEAM WON or SURVIVORS LOST….its simply individual escapes and deaths not team based. If the game was scored as a team then yes it would be a team game but no, its scored as individuals which means an individual can escape when others have failed. You might not like it but thats just a fact.
You can claim im toxic but facts remain….i play by the rules of the game and nothing i do is reportable, i escape more than most people do, i have fun playing. With this in mind who should stop playing the game? the one actually enjoying it or the one that hates it?
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you entitled to your belief of what the problems are but it sounds like this game is not for you.
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if ppl like me quit, the game would be dead. I am more than certain that more than 75% of survivors do see the game as a team game, same as me. I get what you are saying, but at the same time, it feels better to get more ppl to escape. If you do gens that’s good, also in my opinion there shouldn’t be perks like sole survivor. If I’d know a survivor that is with me in the lobby with that perk I’d leave the lobby. Like you clearly need to help others out to win by gens, if it’s unhooking/healing or just doing chases. You only can win completely solo, by hatch. Also there is no strict „survivors won“, but a strict killer lost (I believe it was if 3-4 survivors escape it’s a loss, 2 it’s a draw and below that a win) which determines his MMR. That is what I see as winning as a team. I get you too though that you don’t want to be dependent on others. I can’t play like that since I only super rarely play solo. One question I have, it is 2 survivors left, you and someone else, gates are open, the other survivor gets hooked near a gate, you are not in the gate but somewhere around it, you are healthy. The killer has no noed and has no ability or anything to onehit you, would you go for the safe of the other person or not? (Considering they were playing good and not trolling or anything)
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- if people like you quit and the game died it would give the devs more incentive to change things wouldnt it? why change things if people are are playing the game?
- dbd has bots….until we get killer bots, it needs killers more than it needs survivors.
- a large portion of survivors probably do see the game as a team game which is probably why a large portion of survivors are having a bad time at the moment. Personally i would hate for dbd to be a strict team game…having to rely on 3 other people that wont touch gens and go next/DC? no thanks, i prefer to rely on the team as little as possible. That being said SWF is more like a team game due to atleast having comms and the ability to work as a team and you know everyone in the SWF team is on the same page goal wise, they know there isnt someone just going for hatch challenge or totem challenge or something.
- There is no strict win/loss in game for either side, If going on MMR then both sides have a clear win/loss….survivors win is escape via gates. Doesnt matter if 3 others died, if the 1 player makes it out the gate then that play has won while the killer also won due to getting 3k so the killer and 1 survivor MMR would technically improve.
- i only play solo, i have escaped many times via the gate by working as a team player to a certain point, but when the whole team is just plain awful then im in strict solo mode and it is possible to escape via gates when the hatch is closed. i recently saved a clip v ghoul on The Game map, 3 players died, ghoul closed the hatch, i still managed to get a gate open and escape.
- To answer your question, generally speaking no i would not go for the save in that situation. There has been matches where all 4 of us are still alive when the gates have been opened, 1 on hook and 3 of us at full health and i still opt to just escape while i can. If in SWF yes i probably would go for save but in solo? no.
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