What did you do to Wesker?

PetTheDoggo
PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 2,208
edited February 25 in 9.5.0 PTB Feedback

He is considered one of most balanced killers in DBD, I would say also one of most popular on both sides.
And you just have to nerf him so much?

For those who don't know, on PTB:

  • input buffering is gone
  • rebound is gone (way to position yourself for next dash in loops)
  • can't instaflick (there is bigger delay between dashes)
  • hill dashes are removed (imagine killer has fun)

I am not even sure, if devs even noticed how big nerf it is and we just see an example of spathetti code. Changed one thing and it screwed the killer so much.

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Comments

  • The_Count
    The_Count Member Posts: 261

    The thing is they are not exactly nerfing Wesker.
    I'm a Wesker and Dracula main, but stopped playing the former because how crappy his grab detection is, not to mention when you throw a surv into something and they just slide into it without getting damaged.
    Played, like, 20 matches with him in this PTB so far and ZERO of my grabs had an issue and survs don't slide on stuff anymore.
    TL;DR: they are not nerfing him. They are fixing him.

  • The_Count
    The_Count Member Posts: 261

    I'll say what another guy said in another thread with other words:
    They need to break him in order to fix him. Losing rebound sucks, but in live now he is SO BAD with grab detection failing a lot of times, survs sliding on objects instead of taking damage, Wesker letting go of them as if he reached a hole or elevation in plain terrain…

  • Royval
    Royval Member Posts: 1,230

    The problem I have with this is that most of these things were only possible on pc.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 2,208
    edited February 26

    Input buffering should be console thing too
    I don't have console, but rebound is simply movement thing, you don't need to use mouse for it in any way, so it should be possible…

    Instaflick is probably PC only

  • LapisInfernalis
    LapisInfernalis Member Posts: 4,250

    I know exactly how you feel. He's also the only killer I really like.

    Luckily I play more survivor these days.

  • LapisInfernalis
    LapisInfernalis Member Posts: 4,250

    That is a myth. All the techs are also doable on console. Some of them are a bit harder while others are easier.

  • Royval
    Royval Member Posts: 1,230

    Mandy please make it so everything that was changed is possible to do on console as well!

  • Loldino
    Loldino Member Posts: 57

    My honest guess is that they intended to ignore it just to gut him but just like with Xeno the backlash got so severe they had to adjust.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 2,208
    edited March 1

    Well, exactly likely scenario is dev was tasked with fixing a bug, which fix affected whole gameplay of the killer and noone noticed that…

    not sure which one is worse tho

  • MissAlice
    MissAlice Member Posts: 4
    edited March 2

    I love playing as wesker, this update essentially would destroy him for me. Not just his techs but also his input buffer, it makes him feel so sluggish to use and frustrating. They are going WAY too hard on this restructure of his code. The dev team should ask themselves, is it worth the time and effort to destroy what keeps wesker players coming back to DBD in the first place if it causes a domino effect of erasing beloved techs? BHVR should take note of what players love. As one of the commenters above says, if they're going to take what matters from me, removing a big part of wesker's kit, then I'm going to take what matters from BHVR. My time and money. I'm glad to hear that it may become a proper part of his kit. I hope it is all retained. But this shouldn't be a "maybe".

    It's just so sad, because, the DBD team is so quick to say "don't freak out, it's only the PTB!!!" when it is literally ONE MORE UPDATE, from going live. You wake up tomorrow, and it may be updated to live, bugs and all. There's nothing you can do until they get their next update slot. It feels like compared to the dbd community at large nobody knows about these incoming changes, and it scares me there will not be enough complaints until it goes live and ruins wesker's extremely fun kit. This isn't like minecraft snapshots, you can't just roll back versions. It's funny because it "fixes" wesker from a casual standpoint, a noobie isn't going to see the QOL wesker used to have, at first glance nothing is wrong, but they also won't be able to master him when that time comes beyond point dash A → B, and hope, it utterly destroys his depth and QOL.

    The most hilarious part in all this is that on the same exact patch they're shadow nerfing wesker but shadow buffing ghoul all from "bug fixes", for "consistency", a killer literally everyone hates, like what!? BHVR, with all due respect, where are your priorities? you didn't even fix ghoul's other critical bug, the leapnel and animation bugs with it, you made it even more accessible to perform the animation bug at will at any time and removed Ghoul's only counterplay, it's like the damn pallet density "QOL" changes all over again. Like, why is it the dev team don't even know if vaulting back into the killer is intended counterplay? An administrator dev, community manager, said "maybe the counterplay is not clear enough for some survivors etc things like the revault" yet it's been patched out on ghoul, and you can still do the revault to wesker! utterly unfair!

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  • grwolgrwol
    grwolgrwol Unconfirmed, Member Posts: 1

    I mean, seriously.

    IS THAT THE BEST YOU HAVE?

    People have put years into developing skill with “bugs”. Wesker is basically the one killer people on both sides respect and enjoy.

    just… leave him alone?

  • MissAlice
    MissAlice Member Posts: 4
    edited March 2

    It is bizarre to me how they don't consult with any wesker veterans or players who know about these techs and enjoy them who will tell you, this is a huge part of what makes wesker fun. Removing his techs is the equivalent of sanitizing his gameplay. It's like they don't want wesker to have nuance. It's upsetting, because I'm learning techs that are fun yet extremely hard to pull off and master, even with the stranger things update that made it easier, and all of that could essentially be removed in the coming update, and he will be left a shell of what he was for no reason. I am left in a limbo where my favorite killer could get gutted the next time I log on with only a "mmm, maybe we'll retain it if we can fit it in" Like I'm sorry dev team I'm sure you're trying your best but that kinda hurts. I love playing wesker…If you can't fit it in, then you should roll his commits back for another time. I am serious about this.

    I feel like for making such massive changes, a chapter/update dedicated to fixing wesker's unwanted bugs with full *transparency*, and listening to what people want to stay in his kit would be more appropriate, than a quick and sloppy restructure of his current code from a chapter that isn't even his own, even if it technically makes throws more consistent. Lobotomizing his gameplay is not worth the trade off and introduces a ton of other bugs, such as survivors not getting boost from slams and slams becoming more buggy in general, so we're trading one thing for another anyway and ending up worse off. Missing a throw due to jank occasionally feels bad, but not being able to rebound and missing his triple buffer I will feel, every time. Wesker has never really been among players most disliked killers, so should be quite low priority. Changing a majority of his code for no other reason than it will register some throws slightly better even if it's into a state that players will like even less is not how dbd's team should be doing things.

    I also find it hypocritical that other killers that are stronger than him get buffed, and survivor "techs" never get erased from the game, such as the "crouch tech", but a killer like wesker that is now B (or C?) tier is now getting massively shadow nerfed, again all in the name of "consistency". Being able to get the killer to slide off of you to avoid a chainsaw hit by simply being on lower elevation and crouching makes perfect sense. said "crouch tech" going 9 years strong btw. Same for managing bloodlust and being able to shift tech a window to make an infinite.

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  • cuco
    cuco Member Posts: 5

    I quite literally got the PTB just to play as Wesker. I furthermore panic bought him now so I could play original Wesker before these potential very damaging changes.

    Removing the skill ceiling for techs like “Rebounding” and “Input Buffering” is a strange change, and one thag makes him a less fun killer to play as. I tend to like the Movement-power killers, I think removing the qualities that make them unique fundamentally remove incentives to play as those characters.

    TL;DR : don’t make those changes to Wesker permanent. Except for “Sky-Wesker”, these techs have a place in well-practiced gameplay. They aren’t “easy” nor “cheap tricks”, please allow the skill ceiling to exist. It makes playing the killer feel more rewarding to practice and get better at.

  • TerraKane
    TerraKane Member Posts: 1

    Please don't let these changes go to live, unless you worked out the current issues before. If you can't work that out in time, leave Wesker as he is. He is my favorite killer to play as and against and even if it is annoying to miss an occasional grab, having no input buffering completely ruins his gameplay and will affect me at every dash. It's so necessary to have this for his power to work properly.

    Rebounding also is a fundamental mechanic on how he can be played in certain loops, every Wesker player needs this and learns this early on, without even touching his fancier techs.

    Right now, Wesker feels like he had been given a lobotomy. If these changes make it to live even for a while without proper rework, people will drop the character, maybe even the game. For me, I will spend significantly less time and money on DBD if you destroy my main killer like that.

    As people said before, no one requested drastic changes to Wesker, he is balanced and his techs are a really exciting form of skill expression for a whole community of Wesker players. Please don't take that from us!