Fair and fun solution to SWF problem

2 v 6 is a cool idea, but I feel as though it would have very long queue times. Would be hard to get duo killers with comms, and if solo players don't enjoy the mode, (and I don't think they would, since you'd probably get flamed by the swf group for extending queue times and weakening their team by not having comms with other people) then the issue would only get worse.

So kill with friends? are you trying to destroy the immersion? The story of each killer?
When did Mickey meet Freddy? could be a licensing issue.

Fixing the balance in general should help poor baby killers

After having my ass kicked by a 3 team SWF team who absolutely positively didn't use mics?!?

Here's what I'd like to see. Being forewarned let's you be prepared. In the lobby, I wanna know who has joined my lobby as a team of survivors: either a team of 2, 2&2, 3&1, or (dear God) a team of 4. This at least let's me know that I might need to bring out my big-gun add ons.

The thing is that SWF gives knowledge to the survivors, balance that knowledge out by giving information to the killer. 

Does that seem fair? 

the killers should get 4 AI swf and the swf get a AI killer. all problems solved. SaltyKiller, your posts are so awsome, you brighten my day. it's really an inspiration reading them :chuffed:

Honestly when it comes to the SWF question i think taking a simple approach would be the best one. The bulk of the issues we experience from SWF is the 3 and 4 man cancer squads that make the game a nightmare to play. 1.) We could create two separate queues. One of them is an unranked casual mode that allows SWF and Solo players to join. Solo players and killers would be granted some buff's in this mode aswell as a bloodpoint bonus for hosting this match. Then the ranked mode could be entirely solo queue. Remove the ability to see steam names and steam profiles and scrap the pregame chat. This would make lobby hopping impossible to accomplish.
2.) Now this solution i think the devs would be more onboard with and it would take less work. Like i stated earlier in my post SWF becomes a serious problem when you are running against 3 and 4 man squads. If separate queues are out of the question i think a compromise is in order. Only allow 2 man SWF and completely remove 3 and 4 man SWF from the game unless you play KYF. 2 man SWF is not as horrible to deal with and the killer could easily be buffed in certain areas to accommodate. Its mostly just 2 friends having a good time. Again remove the ability to view steam names and profiles and scrap the pre game chat and ability to see killers loadouts on death.

Edit: oh also Survive with Friends could also be renamed to Survive with a Friend.

@RSB said:
Everyone knows, that SWF is not fair. Thanks to their coordination and voice chats, they gain the benefits of several aura reading perks, they can coordinate which perks they bring, they can set their roles (gen-rusher, looper), etc.

Dear devs, you know, and I know it. But what can you do? Deleting it would irritate survivors, which would end up in the drop of the playerbase and your earnings, which are important. Without them you cannot develop this game.
So, deleting it would irritate them, nerfing it probably too. So what now?

This is my idea:

Split the game into two gamemodes.

1) 1 versus 4, 5 generators - The same as it is now, BUT without SWF. What does it mean? It means that ONLY solo survivors can join to the lobby of the killer. They cannot be in SWF

2) 2 versus 6, 9 generators - Yes, 2vs6. "Fight fire with fire", as they say. Let the killer play with his friend in KWF mode (Kill With Friend). In this mode, 2 killers join to the first lobby (the same lobby as SWF has), then they click "Ready" and create the proper lobby, where survivors can join. It would be the only lobby where survivors could play in SWF, and it would be OPTIONAL for solo survivors to join this lobby as well (just and option, in Settings, or in the main menu, which enables the solo survivor to play in 2vs6 lobby). Then, you could limit the teammates in SWF to 3, so there would be maximum of 2 teams of SWF in one lobby (but this is optional).

What are your thoughts?

that's neither fair or fun, and honestly, I love facing swf, they are rarely coordinated and bring eachother down to a fault, separating the lobbies is not the way to go, and 2vs6 is unfair when 1vs4 is already a slaughterfest with enough skill on a good day

@Kiores “the gen warriors”😭😭 love it

Daddy Trapper and Daddy Myers dream team. Yes please. But what happens if bith killers bring the same hex perk like noed or ruin. Would there be 2 hex totems? And if so, would it remain active until both are destroyed. Or perhaps, would one ruin effect only four of the six survivors so that when one is destroyed, 2 of the six would no longer be effected. And if one killer brings noed, do both killers get the effect. Or will 2 totems spawn, each with an assigned killer. And what about stacking perks like thanatophobia. If one person ever got damaged, that would be a VERY sizable debuff to actions. All fun things to think about. DADDY DUO!!!

As someone only playing swf on ps4 (and Solo on PC) i agree with the idea of two Killers vs swf if that would keep people from dodging 80 % of the time. Or even disable ranked for us swf players.

 I have seen so many people getting mistreated by swf groups it sickens me - one of my buddies and I even encountered a swf Team so toxic we agreed to not use specific perks while playing swf. This includes self care, adrenaline, anythingelse healing related, Sprint and ds. (obviously because we can heal and help each other when needed) 

 We also agreed on not revealing perks if someone dies (although we often laugh and tell the others of our Group that they are dead if specific things are used by the killer ex: mori, nobody escapes death). I just hope more swf groups would play more fairly and less toxic to make the game more fun for All of us! 

And by the way: thanks to All Killers on ps4 Not dodging our swf lobbies! You guys are often the most fun Killers of them All and we are glad that you guys take up the challenge against a Team! We love you :chuffed:

The killers are made so strong, its supposed to be 4v1. If anything they should add in game comms that way you can play the game how its supposed to be 4v1. Right now in the lower levels of the game there are many killers that tunnel, and its basically 1v1 granted 3 survivors may still get out, sucks still to be that person that got tunneled, or even face camped. I think 2 killers vs 8 survivors would be a lot of fun though. I don't know how bad the lag would be but dedicated servers are the answer.

Add in game comms that way it can always be how the game was intended 4v1 - TEAMWORK against an OP killer is fair.

@RSB said:

@rObLoCo said:
The killers are made so strong, its supposed to be 4v1. If anything they should add in game comms that way you can play the game how its supposed to be 4v1. Right now in the lower levels of the game there are many killers that tunnel, and its basically 1v1 granted 3 survivors may still get out, sucks still to be that person that got tunneled, or even face camped. I think 2 killers vs 8 survivors would be a lot of fun though. I don't know how bad the lag would be but dedicated servers are the answer.

Add in game comms that way it can always be how the game was intended 4v1 - TEAMWORK against an OP killer is fair.

I recommend playing killer for yourself at mid-high ranks and then you can speak how "OP" the killer is.

I have played at level 10, this is just doing dailys and whatnot. I don't use any perks and can still catch at least 2 survivors. The issue is the killer wants to catch 4 every map and feels that if he don't then he's somehow been cheated.
On the other foot a survivor doesn't expect to live every map or cry about it. Be happy if you catch 1 survivor, you don't have to kill em all every time you go into a map. Survivors don't survive every map...come on now...

Oh, yeah, 2 Doctors and infinite M3? Balanced as hell. Or even this: Nurse&Nurse, 6 survivours, 9 gens. It will be an easy game, since evading 2 nurses blinking to different places is impossible for anyone. They will just take every survivour on the map one by one, until they all are dead.
How the ######### SWF is hard to play? I usually get either 4x SWf or 4 solo players and they ALL play exactly the same. Furthermore, skilled people do not need voice comms to understand what to do in most of situations, they are aware of the situation almost completely.
Both survivour and killer. Though, having unlimitad survivours and killers in KYF would be fantastic.

bottom line - there is no 'fun and fair' solution.... i say buff killers to compensate for swf lobbies. but then ppl say its not fair to the occasional randos. so i guess its more fair to **** a killer who has no swf options rather than inconvenience a survivor who opted not to accept the option....

I don't really want this because of balance or anything; don't get me wrong, I'm glad that it does that.
But I only want this because DAMN killing with my buddy sounds awesome.

It sounds so cool but you gotta think it would be impossible for survivors to survive(i play a lot of killer btw) killers would just both target the same person or corner them and get pretty much an insta down or they would both have 1 in a chase then hook them both and no one would be able to do gens because they need to save  it sounds cool but is a little impractical if this were to ever happen it would need some tipping in the survivors favor in some way 

They need to ptb this.

As I said in my earlier post, mode 1 sounds like an idea I posted earlier. Mode 2 has no chance at all of ever becoming a reality as written, as I t would be impossible to balance. However, if it was changed to make it a Red Team vs Blue Team type of game, where each team was 1 killer and 4 survivors, the maps were significantly larger, with 14 generators (7 for each team, evenly distributed), and separate basements for each killer, then it might be possible. The exit gates would be shared, but their status is based on the status of each individual team. They would need to have opening controls on each side of the gate, 1 for red, 1 for blue. If the red team has opened their gates, but the blue team hasn’t, then the blue team would see the gates as closed.

Teams would be allowed to sandbag each other, and tell their killer where opposing survivors are located. I have no doubt that the survivors of either team would rarely make it out alive, but it would make for a true team vs team game. This would of course be a completely different mode of play, and would most likely take an entirely separate dev team to pull off, as they wouldn’t be able to work on the current schedule and this game mode at the same time.