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It does surprise me when people don't give the killer time to get away from the hook before unhooking. I almost feel like people who do that don't play killer much. The killer is looking for gen pressure, so they'll need to go find another target for chase. During that time, the killer likely expects to have the survivor…

Same here. When I think of playing survivor now, I just feel like the negatives outweigh the positives. But playing killer is alright, so I'm kind of a killer main lately… I've been returning to some old post-apocalyptic survival games recently too, so that's fun. I'm a big fan of State of Decay 2 on lethal mode with super…

I appreciate this discussion. I think we're drilling down to some details now :) I want to take the time to respond thoughtfully, but have to do other stuff first. I'll update later, but I wanted to say I appreciate the discussion for real :D Edit: Promised response - I've seen that happen multiple times, as well as…

It's odd that the mori is nothing special and is the same as a hook when I've seen killers go very far out of their way to get a mori. I've definitely seen killers slug for 4k, catch the survivor going for the save, put one of them on hook, then hit the survivor on hook until they were gone so the killer could get their…

The finisher mori absolutely incentivises slugging for 4k since it can only be performed on the last survivor in the match, and can thus be obtained more often by slugging for 4k. It absolutely incentivises slugging for 4k by hiding a prize behind getting the last survivor, which is trivial in a slug for 4k situation. You…

Yeah, I've always found moris annoying, but I have to admit that since they weren't as common before, I didn't take the time to understand why I feel that way. Since the finisher mori made them more frequent, I've had a chance to think about what it is I dislike about them so much. What I've come to find is that moris tend…

I really don't understand the idea that if someone escapes through hatch, it's a "free escape". The game isn't one player against another equal player, or a team explicitly always against the killer. It's most accurately four 1v1 matches, where the survivors need to work together if they want to get the gens done and have…

This wins the best first post award 🏆

Honestly, I very much want to fight for the finisher mori system to get removed. I can't believe it was implemented in the first place, and I see it as bringing almost exclusively negative impacts to the game. It provides an incentive to slug for the 4k, which if we're lucky, BHVR will find a way to deal with, but it also…

I don't have a strong opinion about the list options, and I wanted to say Winnie the Pooh, but I think he makes a better killer, so probably Grover. Sorry for not picking from the list though; I just think it would be hilarious to see a unique Grover running animation during chase.

I've wondered how awful it would be if a bully squad didn't do their normal routine, but instead just picked perks that helped them hide from the killer from the start of the match without doing gens. It's possible to not get crows while doing that, and I feel like it would be the most obnoxious game of locker search ever.…

As much as I agree that I'd also like to see the finisher mori reverted, I don't think I agree about any killer always being able to pull a 4k. Admittdly, I win more matches than I lose as killer, which is intended. But with certain map layouts, a full team of survivors who are all good loopers, splitting up on gens,…

Me too. As killer, I hunt down the last survivor(s), but have never had two hide well enough to stay fully hidden for more than a few minutes. Sometimes as a stealth killer in hopeless 2v1 situations (e.g. 3 gens or more left), I'll see one doing a gen, chase them off, then go stealthily look on the other gens for their…

So weird about that scenario though. If I were one of those survivors, I'd do what the survivor on gens did, but expect to get chased at some point. Then if you wouldn't chase, I'd be trying to get you to run out your gen kicks and finish the gen.

I am interested in who the professors are at DBD U. Probably Claudette on Botany, Adam for literature. Vittorio could teach history I guess, and Jonah for math. Mikaela could teach witchcraft and Blight and Rebecca could probably teach chemistry and alchemy.

I always take a moment to understand the game state if there are only two survivors and more than one generator left, then get on a gen (or maybe hunt down a Devour Hope totem). A lot of my solo queue teammates also get on gens if they know the killer is somewhere else (e.g. chasing me). As killer, I also essentially never…

Seeing Nancy reminds me that I kept thinking yesterday that it was Christmas Steve, not Christmas Eve...

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Mostly agree :) Also, imagine I made a joke about BHVR being stereotypical and wanting DbD to be like hockey ;D

It's not so much that there's a double standard, but more that most of the things survivors can do to make a killer's experience worse won't help them win. If survivors could do something that completely prevented the killer from being able to participate in the game in any reasonable way, that would be bad too. And some…

This seems like a what-about-ism. Instead of addressing the fact that it's rude to waste other people's time and force their experience to be bad, it's only saying "what about the other side?" We need to be addressing the experience of both sides. That's true. But talking about one of them doesn't invalidate the need to…

I really can't imagine that BHVR wants people to be able to play in a way that removes all the fun from their opponent's experience. It's likely they just don't have a way to deal with tunneling, camping, slugging for 4k, and bully squads without removing a necessary way to deal with something some people on the opposing…

lol I will agree about the nature of people celebrating their wins, whether or not it applies to moris :) I didn't mean to turn it into a debate either, but I definitely appreciate the discussion :D

This feels like a bannable action by the survivors since they were working with the killer to force the player into a loss. But others here have said it's not bannable. I don't know that I would bother to report this, but I do wonder why the survivors wouldn't get a brief 'slap on the wrist' ban for it. Sounds like you've…

I'm glad you play in a way that avoids a lot of bm. The game needs more positive players :) The issue isn't about redirecting some feeling of being offended when losing though. It's about how things are done that lead to a win or loss and how it's treated afterward. Victory dances are generally bad sportsmanship in all…

Just because you played a single match without any toxicity doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The finisher mori forces the last survivor to watch the killer gloat over their downed body. And so often I've seen killers waiting out any obstacles just to get their victory dance, even picking up the slug and moving them to a spot…

Killers typically have a win rate that's higher than survivors. Survivors have win rates on average below 40%. However, typical killers tend to get win/draw/loss distributions that land around 50/20/30. But that can vary per killer, per player, and per MMR/skill level. But the game is intentionally designed in a way so…

I think that would lead to a scenario where most matches are ties (2k) in order to preserve the 60% kill ratio. That would translate into a nearly 0% loss rate. I guess you could also have 20% of matches leading to 4k, very few 3ks, and then more ties and losses than wins. Does the math work on that (I don't feel like…

It's great when your feet are on the ground across a dropped pallet, sometimes with a stunned killer, and then afterwards you take a hit ;)

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I think I remember seeing an analysis of how this often plays out. Iirc, it's like 50% wins, 20% ties, and 30% losses. That's only 30% losses. Obviously this is going to depend on the distribution of those 60% killed survivors in individual games, so for specific killers that distribution of wins/ties/losses can vary. Not…

Yeah, I'm playing the game less than I used to also. The amount of tunneling, proxy camping, and slugging for 4k make it pretty rare to get a decent match. And in a lot of trials, I kind of wonder why I even started it up. I answered those questions in the poll honestly, also indicating that I wouldn't encourage anyone to…

It's not really about people being sore losers, and more about people not wanting a mechanic that provides a built-in victory dance. Teabagging and that W+D thing are already bad enough for the game's health, but the finisher mori is like BHVR saying the W+D thing isn't enough and they want to make the community more toxic…

The length of the survey was prohibitive for me. My case was special though as I wanted to answer the survey but needed to prepare to have a surgery done on me... so I skipped a bunch of questions. I think multiple shorter surveys spread out a little in time might be more approachable.

I do feel full-team, long duration slugging has a single specific reasonable use case. If a team is busy focusing on making me unable to put people on hooks by having 3 or even 4 players all run flashlights, sabo, head-on, etc., AND if I've put them on hooks and they continue to do this to the exclusion of getting gens…

The FNAF chapter should come with a temporary Freddy buff for irony/puns.

I also usually don't get much bm from survivors. It might be because I don't do any of the behaviors a lot of survivor players consider bm (tunneling, camping, slug for 4k). So I normally get positive post-game interactions. Of course, players' opinions on whether those behaviors are bm can differ, but either way, I agree…

Agreed, the DbD community is actually pretty awesome. I used to play LoL, but got tired of the amount of toxicity in the community. By comparison to league, DbD is like a friendly, supportive book club.

I understand what you're saying: You're suggesting that because the killer's goal is to kill the survivors, they should do it by any means available. But that disregards the gameplay experience of the survivor who gets slugged in the slug for 4k, and even the last survivor to some extent. This isn't flipping the situation…

So what you're saying is that I should pursue my goal in any setting regardless of what the people I'm sharing it with think? Please don't respond by saying 'it's the killer's goal'. I'm interested in the answer to that exact question. If I have a goal, should I pursue it regardless of what other people feel or think about…

The comment you're responding to was explaining that sometimes hiding is alright. Why are you informing me that you'll slug for 4k in response to a comment that indicated reasons why people will hide? I can make irrelevant comments too: Sometimes the snoot is too tempting. If I see a Pig, I'll boop the snoot every single…

Waiting in the exit gates is only bm if all survivors are in that gate and don't come to poke you when you get there or give you items. If one survivor isn't out yet, most survivors will also wait to go for the save, or even try to take up the killer's time by making the killer force them out so the last survivor has some…

Agreed.

Hiding to evade the killer is a method of trying to enable an escape, either for the hiding survivor or even for their teammate. The last survivor in a slug for 4k situation will very often hide while sneaking to the slug in order to get the save. And sure, on rare occasions, the last two survivors will both hide for…

Playing a game 'against' someone is included in the term 'playing with' them. You don't say 'I played Scrabble against my friends'. People instead say 'I played Scrabble with my friends.' It's not reasonable to interact with other people in any setting and not care about what they think. We can think other people are wrong…

I care for the feelings and opinions of others every time I interact with other humans in any way. Caring for the feelings of other people is a fundamental life skill that heavily impacts anyone we interact with, and which has an effect back on ourselves as a result. If we don't care for the feelings of people other than…

I see that you said 'no one cares about your feelings and your opinion". That's a very unhealthy approach to any interaction with other people. If someone doesn't want to care about the feelings and opinions of other people, they shouldn't be playing games with other people.

That's sad. I just did a four winter hook challenge and spent the rest of the match ambushing survivors from stealth with snowskulls. I hope you get a killer like me for the event some time :)

That makes sense. Some people have suggested making the finisher mori skippable by the survivor being targeted so that if they feel it's more like bm, they aren't forced to watch it. I think if they did some tweaks like that and maybe making it so the mori had to be done next to a hook so wiggle chances aren't negated, it…

It definitely happens both ways. I've occasionally full-team slugged a non-bully squad with Pig. That shouldn't even be possible. Of course, I don't let them bleed out if that happens. And if it happens early in the match, I put some of them on hooks and then let one wiggle off so we can have the rest of the match...