Plague needs love and attention.

Guess thats one way to deal with the community.

Yeah agreed.

Since most red rank survivors don't cleanse you never really get to even use her power. You spend the whole match just circling pallets and M1'ing. That isn't fun.

Even if y'all "think" everyone staying Exposed is strong (it's not), it isn't fun.

You aren't getting to use her power.

In regards to Janick's "stat" statement, there's another thing that I think people should be concerned about.

'Was the data taken with the players' ranks after a match, or before the match (as it should be.)'

If this sounds familiar to anyone, it's the same oversight that was made in the recent 'Survival Rate By Rank' data sheet, in which survivors' survival rate appeared to be close to 80% at Rank 1. This was due to the fact that many who had died had deranked back to Rank 2, and therefore was not counted as being in the Rank 1 group despite being in Rank 1 when the match started. When this was taken into account, Peanits stated that its actual Survival Rate would have been around 43% (although that number, too, probably should be questioned, due to the fact that it was only taken from one day's worth of sample size).

So similarly, Janick's 4K Average Kill Rate at Rank 1 could have resulted from taking players' ranks from after the match, where Rank 1 killers who had not performed well were deranked to Rank 2, and therefore was not counted as being in Rank 1. It was just not questioned because, this time, there was no graph showing how The Plague performed in the other rankings.

This is just a possibility, and far from being a speculation, but something that should be questioned and answered regardless, just as sample size and the inclusion of disconnected matches should be questioned for the accuracy of the numbers given.

I personally find it disappointing when people disregard statistical data for no apparent reason, just because they don't want to believe it. But I find it equally pitiful when people swallow up statistics without question and believe it wholeheartedly as a 'fact' despite not knowing where the numbers came from. So I'm really glad that many in this thread is taking the right approach of questioning the data. How was the data collected? Why was these samples included/not included? How big of a sample size was it overall? Why is the data being interpreted this way, but not that way? And hopefully, the data analysts are willing to be transparent with the answers, because they believe what they did is the correct way.

"She might be strong with mastery, but short of that, she's kinda meh"

I disagree with this.

Against red ranks no one is cleansing which means you aren't using her Corrupted fountains. If you aren't using her fountains then that means someone who "masters" her is just skilled at playing an M1 killer that can 1 hit down survivors. That's a very low level of "mastery" and I'd even argue if that Plague is 4k'ing those survivors with base M1's they are playing like potatoes. Especially when she's one of the most loopable killers in the game with her size.

"With her best add-ons she is pretty strong"

Even with her best addons she is maybe upper mid tier at best.

"Trapper is Worst than Plague, and he's not getting buff..."

They already said on stream that Trapper IS on their radar for buffs.

"Plague i just puke in someones face and now they are a one hit kill, and ppl seriously think she is weak?"

If you played at red ranks you would know how weak that actually is. There are more than enough pallets and windows to finish 5 gens and still have lots left. Being injured and 1 shot from going down is way less dangerous than you and the devs think it is. When she is huge and with a large TR this makes her one of the most loopable killers in the game.

All the killers you mentioned do need buffs, no one here is saying they don't. All we are saying is that Plague does as well. She fundamentally doesn't work how they designed her.

One very simple change I've mentioned on a couple of occasions was to make all interactions while sick spread the sickness. Not just when your broken but when your sick at anytime.

Means survivors are sick sooner and will hopefully allow her to get the corrupt purge more often.

Yeah and even with her Corrupted Purge she is still quite loopable against good survivors.

I dont mind that play style of trying to break them first but I always feel forced to do it because her points are so bad you need to do it that way.

I think they should get a debuff while sick but the thing that annoys me more is when someone saves a sick survivor from the hook but not get sick themselves. Also doing a gen with a sick survivor but also not getting sick. Healing sick survivors again the same thing. I just don't understand why this isn't already changed.

True, but it would increase the viability a bit. I often have to make a bad choice between spreading the sickness early or actually downing and hooking people early in the game. If I choose the former, there are too many pallets up and no pressure with 3 gens left. If I choose the latter, I don't have enough people Broken and I still don't have Corrupt Purge, but at least I have some hooks. Either way, usually boring.

"Especially if you try to break them first without add-ons it takes too much time. Survivors shouldn't need to be broken to spread any of the sickness."

I just don't think the spam puke into the survivor then M1 down is good design. I'd rather increase how easily the infection spreads like you were wanting and make her playstyle encourage spreading the infection more than tunneling into 1 guy.

The 15% slow down is just compensating for the time you waste spreading the infection instead of pounding into 1 guy and for the time they aren't wasting having to heal.

Hypothetically with the changes I mentioned earlier you'd be downing them with her Corrupted Purge a lot more so you wouldn't need the Vile purge into them until broken combo as much. I think this play style is also much more fun for the survivor.

"Her points are so bad I cant believe it. Since I love points more than winning I just be sick on everything, even if no one is around just for the points and it still isn't enough. If you run into a plague on ps4 just spinning around being sick on stuff it's probably me lol"

Yeah I usually do the same lol

Like I was saying I originally thought her point gain was bad as well until I realized that it was only bad because she wasn't getting to use her power because no one was cleansing. Once people start cleansing she starts getting a normal amount of blood points compared to most killers.

I agree I'd like her to work similar to Freddy's old play style of trying to micromanage all the survivors. I personally love that play style. Not to mention it fits Plague thematically.

I had an idea I mentioned earlier of maybe her Black Essence baseline but only while infected and broken. Then we give a 15% repair speed debuff for being sick and every minute a random fountain will become corrupted.

They could even slightly increased the time to become broken while infected if need be. This would encourage Plague to spread the sickness and move on instead of just tunneling into 1 guy.

For real.

I haven't seen this many up votes on a post in quite a long time. I hope the devs really take a look at this and realize that the community disagrees with them and that they might have made a mistake.

Even the survivors think she's weak.

Seems like a lot of players have abandoned Plague entirely, gone back to their mains or playing survivor.