Dont understand why killers keep on insisting they need buffs
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Yeah losing a chase has become impossible against decent killers. We dont have a choice to loop in order to buy time.
Coldwind farm has walls you cna see threw so theres no try to lose sight and leave possibility. Apart from that most walls around key points are low walls.
I think if there are more high walls and none you can see threw then survivors might attempt more chances to get away rather to run from pallet to pallet.
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@Vietfox said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Vietfox said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
You could break the chase and hide.Difficult to break the chase and hide if you want windows and pallets to get nerfed, especially when killer is faster than survivors.
Viet, just run in a straight line lmao, it's not hard. Ez juke in an open area.
Yeah, i'm pretty sure it will totally work lol.
You do know killer gets stunned for a couple of seconds and you get a speed boost after getting hit right?
Enough time to get away if you are good unless they are running STBFL.
Use that window to break sight and urban evade/quick and quiet away.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Vietfox said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Vietfox said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
You could break the chase and hide.Difficult to break the chase and hide if you want windows and pallets to get nerfed, especially when killer is faster than survivors.
Viet, just run in a straight line lmao, it's not hard. Ez juke in an open area.
Yeah, i'm pretty sure it will totally work lol.
You do know killer gets stunned for a couple of seconds and you get a speed boost after getting hit right?
Enough time to get away if you are good unless they are running STBFL.
Use that window to break sight and urban evade/quick and quiet away.
Right, the speed boost will totally save me even if windows and pallets are nerfed. You said they were major issues so i guess i wouldn't have many windows or pallets around.
Yeah, also forcing survivors to run 2 perks because of the new design makes total sense as well.
As i said, you must be trolling. No way you can be like this...0 -
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.
I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
Says the guy that thinks killers should 4K every match and survivors should suffer lmao.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Vietfox said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Vietfox said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@twistedmonkey said:
The devs have always stated the perfect balance is around 2 die 2 escape, if you think the game should be balanced on 4ks well this is not the game for you.Some players kill 4 most of there games, some players escape most of there games but those are due to personal skill, time played, awareness, knowledge etc.
If a good killer can 4k most of the time with an array of killers does that not mean your simply not good enough? The same goes for survivor if you dont escape that much.
Not everyone is meant to be great at the game Its time some of the user base realised this and either put more effort in to getting better or accept they never will be in the top bracket.
You're acting as if this game has a skill ceiling and killers aren't limited by the game itself.
Drop a pallet bam the killer cant touch you. He either has to kick it as you run to the next or try to mindgame. Both are time waste and gens done.
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@twistedmonkey said:
The devs have always stated the perfect balance is around 2 die 2 escape, if you think the game should be balanced on 4ks well this is not the game for you.Some players kill 4 most of there games, some players escape most of there games but those are due to personal skill, time played, awareness, knowledge etc.
If a good killer can 4k most of the time with an array of killers does that not mean your simply not good enough? The same goes for survivor if you dont escape that much.
Not everyone is meant to be great at the game Its time some of the user base realised this and either put more effort in to getting better or accept they never will be in the top bracket.
You're acting as if this game has a skill ceiling and killers aren't limited by the game itself.
Drop a pallet bam the killer cant touch you. He either has to kick it as you run to the next or try to mindgame. Both are time waste and gens done.
BAM it's the nurse, huntress or there's a trap.
Anyway i clearly see now that you are just here to troll. Have a nice day.Oh wow specific killers exist you totally destroyed my argument there! Jeez its like every killer should just play omega blink nurse. EZ killers are balanced because nurse exists.
And your argument sounds like pallets are bunkers or reachable at any time.
There are literally 15+ pallets on every map. So yeah they kind of are at the moment. Some pallets aren't safe but most are...
Some pallets are bunkers ever been downed at the killer shack pallet against an m1 killer? Likely not.
Pallets, Windows and Gen completion time are the 3 major issues at the moment.
as a killer with the predator style as his main. I wanna just say... gen time ok your right... windows are meh and if u take away any more pallets we might as well just call this hook simulator.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
Says the guy that thinks killers should 4K every match and survivors should suffer lmao.
Says the guy who thinks surviving should be as effortless as it is now lmao.
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i have complained about survivors in the past but the community told me where i was wrong. survivors are mostly fine. i dont really think survivors need changes but i think other things do. i like the game as it is now to be honest. there are some things wrong with it but its still fun.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
Love the kids on this forum never changes even non pvp games have this type of issue
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
Says the guy that thinks killers should 4K every match and survivors should suffer lmao.
Says the guy who thinks surviving should be as effortless as it is now lmao.
like i said, I think killer and survivor are both easy, I haven't asked for buffs or nerfs on either side, you're just talking nonsense now.
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@Poweas said:
@The_Crusader said:
Because killers can't accept that they suck.I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
Tbh they could be asking just because they face a lot of SWF. After every game, no matter how it went, I always ask if the team was SWF when I play Spirit since SWF is all I face.
i mostly play against swf but i use it to my advantage.
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No online game such as this has a specific skill ceiling it's only as easy or as hard as the people you are playing versus.Bbbrian2013 said:You're acting as if this game has a skill ceiling and killers aren't limited by the game itself.
Drop a pallet bam the killer cant touch you. He either has to kick it as you run to the next or try to mindgame. Both are time waste and gens done.
You know that's how pallets are intended to work? To give a survivor more time! You truly are one of those playing the wrong game it seems as you don't realise how hard it is against some killers to lose them with scratch marks, audio, aura perks plus more.
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@Barron said:
It's because of the rampant pseudo-intellectualism that is spread on here everyday and a particular twitch streamer that cries about d-strike all the time. It's based on the belief that survivors can't have any perks that are actually beneficial to survival. People that play killer all the time want to be in the "power role", which means 4king every single match and deluding themselves into thinking that they are "skilled".You can see the constant crying on here all the time about how all means of survival is "toxic" or a "crutch". You're only supposed to run in straight lines and not be able to stealth at all. This extreme entitlement and idiocy manifested itself into the creation of legion, which has completely destroyed the game for me.
i dont care as long as i get a kill.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I'll just sit here and wait for the community to get along.I’ll join you
Hard to get along when they deny there is a survivor issue with DbD
Says the guy that thinks killers should 4K every match and survivors should suffer lmao.
Says the guy who thinks surviving should be as effortless as it is now lmao.
like i said, I think killer and survivor are both easy, I haven't asked for buffs or nerfs on either side, you're just talking nonsense now.
So Freddy against SWF is easy? Riiiiight.
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Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a mori
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@Cardgrey said:
Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a moriI never run add-ons or offerings on any killer.
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@redsopine01 said:
Orion said:I'm just gonna focus on the one aspect I find most confusing. If aura reading is so powerful, how come Survivors don't use it?
Because most people that use bond tend to open lockers hiding players inside them in the middle of a chance empathy is only good at teir 3 and most people run iron and calm spirit to counter any docs that show up well I do and for the special stealth6 build
i use bond to help my team not myself.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a moriI never run add-ons or offerings on any killer.
I see just offering a idea to help u friend lol
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@Iceman said:
The_Crusader said:Because killers can't accept that they suck.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
“Killers can’t accept they suck”
”Survivors can’t accept they suck”This is the problem right here. You guys think one sided. Last time I check I didn’t play the game just to play one side. If that was the case then the dev should make it where you have to pay to play killers and survivors separately.
If you play both sides you would understand each side pain.
IMO
Playing survivor is relaxing
Playing Killer is stressfuli play both sides equally and can agree with what you say. i dont even want buffs but i feel targeted by these guys. there complaining about all killers because some want buffs.
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@Cardgrey said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a moriI never run add-ons or offerings on any killer.
I see just offering a idea to help u friend lol
I know, i appreciate it. It's better than just saying LOL you're wrong like the others here have.
I just don't like to become reliant on temporary items.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a moriI never run add-ons or offerings on any killer.
I see just offering a idea to help u friend lol
I know, i appreciate it. It's better than just saying LOL you're wrong like the others here have.
I just don't like to become reliant on temporary items.
We;re not saying you're wrong though, your whole conversation is based on the fact that you want every killer to 4K regardless of how good the survivor is, you stated earlier that it shouldn't matter how good a survivor is the killer should be able to ruin them regardless.
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merry Xmas mr/miss duck!
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Pretty much what this game needs although I would not mind killers needing add-ons to be viable as long as you don't need red or purple ones to do so.ShyN3ko said:Killer want buffs, because they want play every killer.
But not every killer is "viable".
You need every time addons.
You need every time good perks.
You need every time a good killer.
Just a example:
Other games like Rainbow Six Siege.
Do you think the players would be happy, if some operators arent viable,
because the weapons and abiltiy are rly weak?.
No they wouldnt be happy.0 -
@scorpio said:
It's because of the rampant pseudo-intellectualism that is spread on here everyday and a particular twitch streamer that cries about d-strike all the time. It's based on the belief that survivors can't have any perks that are actually beneficial to survival. People that play killer all the time want to be in the "power role", which means 4king every single match and deluding themselves into thinking that they are "skilled".
You can see the constant crying on here all the time about how all means of survival is "toxic" or a "crutch". You're only supposed to run in straight lines and not be able to stealth at all. This extreme entitlement and idiocy manifested itself into the creation of legion, which has completely destroyed the game for me.
Found the survivor main. Killers SHOULD be in the power roll, it's a [BAD WORD] asymmetrical horror game for [BAD WORD]'s sake. That doesn't mean they expect to 4k every time, it means they want a game that is fun and balanced. It is not balanced yet, I don't care how bad survivors want to believe it is. We don't think survivors need no perks, but that some of their perks are unfair BS. DS lets people just jump off the killer's shoulder because they hit space bar and leaves the killer stunned for several seconds? How does that make sense? And that's really the main one killers complain about so I don't even understand how you can say we don't want survivors to have any perks that are beneficial, that's just a flat out lie. Honestly the biggest problem isn't even mechanics, it's maps. Some maps are fair. I like Macmillon and Swamp and Crotus Prenn. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I never feel like I got [BAD WORD] in the ass by the devs, just outplayed or played well. But if I'm on a farm map or Lery's, Haddonfield, or Yamaoka Estate? I feel like the map is [BAD WORD] me way harder than the survivors ever could.
i want map changes most. i often end up on cold wind where i cant see a foot in front of my face and the Claudette i was chasing vanished because she to a left turn that i couldnt see because the scratch marks screwed me over again. survivors can complain all they like but if we cant see the person in front of us then something needs a fix.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
Playing in a way that is frustrating to the opposition is as old as the concept of opposition iteslf, yet how some survivors get so triggered by me standing by their hook for 2 mins that they call me racial slurs and tell me to kill my self is beyond me.I by no means condone that though so, ok? Racial slurs are a bannable offence, tbagging is not, so comparing them is silly.
But here we are, once again - having a pissing contest about who is worse when both sides are just as bad as each other.
and camping is super boring anyway so I very rarely ever get attacked for such gameplay.
It's not much of a contest...
But to the point: tbagging is not bannable. Neither is camping, yet both result in someone getting triggered and spouting off post game chat. So they are comparable.
Both are forms of in game taunting and frustrating your opposition. Both are just pixels, but generate very real frustration (probably too much frustration for some folks).
Before the argument that camping has in-game consequences, I will point out that so does teabagging. Some people teabag to taunt the killer to chase while teammates pop objectives. Some people camp to hit survivors when they rush the hook.I
Neither side really HAS to take the bait OR get triggered...And yet...some do.
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@Attackfrog said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
Playing in a way that is frustrating to the opposition is as old as the concept of opposition iteslf, yet how some survivors get so triggered by me standing by their hook for 2 mins that they call me racial slurs and tell me to kill my self is beyond me.I by no means condone that though so, ok? Racial slurs are a bannable offence, tbagging is not, so comparing them is silly.
But here we are, once again - having a pissing contest about who is worse when both sides are just as bad as each other.
and camping is super boring anyway so I very rarely ever get attacked for such gameplay.
It's not much of a contest...
But to the point: tbagging is not bannable. Neither is camping, yet both result in someone getting triggered and spouting off post game chat. So they are comparable.
Both are forms of in game taunting and frustrating your opposition. Both are just pixels, but generate very real frustration (probably too much frustration for some folks).
Before the argument that camping has in-game consequences, I will point out that so does teabagging. Some people teabag to taunt the killer to chase while teammates pop objectives. Some people camp to hit survivors when they rush the hook.I
Neither side really HAS to take the bait OR get triggered...And yet...some do.
“Before the argument that camping has in game consequences etc etc”. Not really, it’s the killers choice to chase after them, guess who’s choice it is to also camp aswell? The killers.
Except camping directly affects gameplay and ones ability to actually participate in a match, while tbagging has no effect on gameplay, they are very NOT comparable.
I have absolutely NO issue with camping, but people get upset over tbagging for no reason at all except their feelings, lol itsavideogamebtw? People get upset over camping because it prevented someone playing the match.
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Some people are easily agitated.Attackfrog said:@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
Playing in a way that is frustrating to the opposition is as old as the concept of opposition iteslf, yet how some survivors get so triggered by me standing by their hook for 2 mins that they call me racial slurs and tell me to kill my self is beyond me.I by no means condone that though so, ok? Racial slurs are a bannable offence, tbagging is not, so comparing them is silly.
But here we are, once again - having a pissing contest about who is worse when both sides are just as bad as each other.
and camping is super boring anyway so I very rarely ever get attacked for such gameplay.
It's not much of a contest...
But to the point: tbagging is not bannable. Neither is camping, yet both result in someone getting triggered and spouting off post game chat. So they are comparable.
Both are forms of in game taunting and frustrating your opposition. Both are just pixels, but generate very real frustration (probably too much frustration for some folks).
Before the argument that camping has in-game consequences, I will point out that so does teabagging. Some people teabag to taunt the killer to chase while teammates pop objectives. Some people camp to hit survivors when they rush the hook.I
Neither side really HAS to take the bait OR get triggered...And yet...some do.
Some one calls me that or anything im just normally heeey i see i got under your skin too. Gg for me.
But sometimes when someone says it for the Nth time tobsone people its... Like a pile of stress.0 -
@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
Playing in a way that is frustrating to the opposition is as old as the concept of opposition iteslf, yet how some survivors get so triggered by me standing by their hook for 2 mins that they call me racial slurs and tell me to kill my self is beyond me.I by no means condone that though so, ok? Racial slurs are a bannable offence, tbagging is not, so comparing them is silly.
But here we are, once again - having a pissing contest about who is worse when both sides are just as bad as each other.
and camping is super boring anyway so I very rarely ever get attacked for such gameplay.
It's not much of a contest...
But to the point: tbagging is not bannable. Neither is camping, yet both result in someone getting triggered and spouting off post game chat. So they are comparable.
Both are forms of in game taunting and frustrating your opposition. Both are just pixels, but generate very real frustration (probably too much frustration for some folks).
Before the argument that camping has in-game consequences, I will point out that so does teabagging. Some people teabag to taunt the killer to chase while teammates pop objectives. Some people camp to hit survivors when they rush the hook.I
Neither side really HAS to take the bait OR get triggered...And yet...some do.
“Before the argument that camping has in game consequences etc etc”. Not really, it’s the killers choice to chase after them, guess who’s choice it is to also camp aswell? The killers.
Except camping directly affects gameplay and ones ability to actually participate in a match, while tbagging has no effect on gameplay, they are very NOT comparable.
I have absolutely NO issue with camping, but people get upset over tbagging for no reason at all except their feelings, lol itsavideogamebtw? People get upset over camping because it prevented someone playing the match.
I think I worte about it in the past. But I guess you just lack empathy then ...
Tbagging is an act on active disrespect, right in front of a person, who during match is under constant stress with almost no calming phases compared to the other 4 they face.
It's probably one the main reasons, why DbD always had a form of "bullying simulator" problem in it's core design. Survivors have enough safe spaces to actively disrespect the killer without any direct consequences. They do it in situations, when the killer is most likely stressed right now, which means it will most likely work. And when it works it starts a spiral of frustration for the killer, because they get more unstable -> more mistakes beeing made -> more opportunity to Tbag and disrespect -> etc.
You might not experience such games by yourself. Maybe because you don't care about that, when you play killer. Or maybe because you are more mentaly stable. But I would argue that the average player, or an average human beeing is vulnerable.
And the argument it's a video game is actually quite fitting. When you play a video game you expect at least to be in a form of a safe space. One where you experienced stress in an controlled manner. And I know online gaming can be toxic and frustrating, but when it's crossing the line of active humilation, then yey there is an issue.
Especially in asymmetrical game, where the amount of stress is highly different for each side.2 -
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Cardgrey said:
Dying light black box =p helps a lot with a moriI never run add-ons or offerings on any killer.
And you walk up hill through the snow to school 10 miles every day too. Maybe, just maybe, you should try using add ons and offerings before you complain about game balance. They are a part of the game after all. You're like a guy who complains Zelda is too tough, but refuse to upgrade past a wooden sword.
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@Freudentrauma said:
I think I worte about it in the past. But I guess you just lack empathy then ...
Tbagging is an act on active disrespect, right in front of a person, who during match is under constant stress with almost no calming phases compared to the other 4 they face.
It's probably one the main reasons, why DbD always had a form of "bullying simulator" problem in it's core design. Survivors have enough safe spaces to actively disrespect the killer without any direct consequences. They do it in situations, when the killer is most likely stressed right now, which means it will most likely work. And when it works it starts a spiral of frustration for the killer, because they get more unstable -> more mistakes beeing made -> more opportunity to Tbag and disrespect -> etc.
You might not experience such games by yourself. Maybe because you don't care about that, when you play killer. Or maybe because you are more mentaly stable. But I would argue that the average player, or an average human beeing is vulnerable.
And the argument it's a video game is actually quite fitting. When you play a video game you expect at least to be in a form of a safe space. One where you experienced stress in an controlled manner. And I know online gaming can be toxic and frustrating, but when it's crossing the line of active humilation, then yey there is an issue.
Especially in asymmetrical game, where the amount of stress is highly different for each side.Lack empathy? Good god.
I T-Bag when a killer is camping to see if it'll get them to chase me so my random team mate has a chance of getting points, this is a video game, tbagging has been in every game with a crouch button for 15 years and I've never seen so many people crying about it, it ACTUALLY has a use in this game because some killers get so upset by it that they'll stop camping someone to get the person that's going it.
If you're vulnerable and things such as crouching rapidly are going to trigger you, you should step away from the game and take the proper measures to sort your life out. If tbagging is the reason you want to cry at night YOU NEED A BREAK.
Yada yada safe spaces in games where you literally murder people, tbagging is the least awful thing in this game and I'll reiterate, if tbagging is so harmful to your mental state you need to seek a professional.
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Sigh... I'll try one more time @SenzuDuck. If tbagging is just a few pixels bouncing up and down then what about the middle finger? I mean, it's just me moving my finger and it's not causing any harm?SenzuDuck said:@Freudentrauma said:
I think I worte about it in the past. But I guess you just lack empathy then ...
Tbagging is an act on active disrespect, right in front of a person, who during match is under constant stress with almost no calming phases compared to the other 4 they face.
It's probably one the main reasons, why DbD always had a form of "bullying simulator" problem in it's core design. Survivors have enough safe spaces to actively disrespect the killer without any direct consequences. They do it in situations, when the killer is most likely stressed right now, which means it will most likely work. And when it works it starts a spiral of frustration for the killer, because they get more unstable -> more mistakes beeing made -> more opportunity to Tbag and disrespect -> etc.
You might not experience such games by yourself. Maybe because you don't care about that, when you play killer. Or maybe because you are more mentaly stable. But I would argue that the average player, or an average human beeing is vulnerable.
And the argument it's a video game is actually quite fitting. When you play a video game you expect at least to be in a form of a safe space. One where you experienced stress in an controlled manner. And I know online gaming can be toxic and frustrating, but when it's crossing the line of active humilation, then yey there is an issue.
Especially in asymmetrical game, where the amount of stress is highly different for each side.Lack empathy? Good god.
I T-Bag when a killer is camping to see if it'll get them to chase me so my random team mate has a chance of getting points, this is a video game, tbagging has been in every game with a crouch button for 15 years and I've never seen so many people crying about it, it ACTUALLY has a use in this game because some killers get so upset by it that they'll stop camping someone to get the person that's going it.
If you're vulnerable and things such as crouching rapidly are going to trigger you, you should step away from the game and take the proper measures to sort your life out. If tbagging is the reason you want to cry at night YOU NEED A BREAK.
Yada yada safe spaces in games where you literally murder people, tbagging is the least awful thing in this game and I'll reiterate, if tbagging is so harmful to your mental state you need to seek a professional.
Btw, I DON'T DOES THIS, JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. Everyone reacts difficulty to things is what I'm trying to say man, it just depends on the situation and the context clues. Also, I definitely don't agree with tbagging being a bannable.1 -
@Nickenzie said:
Sigh... I'll try one more time @SenzuDuck. If tbagging is just a few pixels bouncing up and down then what about the middle finger? I mean, it's just me moving my finger and it's not causing any harm?Btw, I DON'T DOES THIS, JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. Everyone reacts difficulty to things is what I'm trying to say man, it just depends on the situation and the context clues. Also, I definitely don't agree with tbagging being a bannable.
Sigh, and the middle finger is something that is done in real life to offend people. ITS A REAL THING. If you get into a fight and you win, do you crouch over the unconscious person and tbag them?
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You must play mostly survivor. You know, just because survivors throw the game doesnt mean it was fair or fun.The_Crusader said:
They don't ask, they straight up accuse. Hell I've seen killers get a 3k and then throw a strop and say we were swf and it was unfair.Poweas said:@The_Crusader said:
Because killers can't accept that they suck.I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
Tbh they could be asking just because they face a lot of SWF. After every game, no matter how it went, I always ask if the team was SWF when I play Spirit since SWF is all I face.
They really only will accept a 4k.
If someone uses a motorcycle in a relay race, but crashes in the end , that doesnt mean it was fair for them to use a motorcycle.
Get bullied by a tryhard swf group and you will see that its just no fun playing against them.1 -
@Spiritbx said:
The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@The_Crusader said:
Because killers can't accept that they suck.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
Tbh they could be asking just because they face a lot of SWF. After every game, no matter how it went, I always ask if the team was SWF when I play Spirit since SWF is all I face.
They don't ask, they straight up accuse. Hell I've seen killers get a 3k and then throw a strop and say we were swf and it was unfair.
They really only will accept a 4k.
You must play mostly survivor. You know, just because survivors throw the game doesnt mean it was fair or fun.
If someone uses a motorcycle in a relay race, but crashes in the end , that doesnt mean it was fair for them to use a motorcycle.
Get bullied by a tryhard swf group and you will see that its just no fun playing against them.From what I've seen, good killers don't get bullied.
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Good thing the devs only make 100% viable killers and not a bunch of ######### ones along with a few good ones.SenzuDuck said:@Spiritbx said:
The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@The_Crusader said:
Because killers can't accept that they suck.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
Tbh they could be asking just because they face a lot of SWF. After every game, no matter how it went, I always ask if the team was SWF when I play Spirit since SWF is all I face.
They don't ask, they straight up accuse. Hell I've seen killers get a 3k and then throw a strop and say we were swf and it was unfair.
They really only will accept a 4k.
You must play mostly survivor. You know, just because survivors throw the game doesnt mean it was fair or fun.
If someone uses a motorcycle in a relay race, but crashes in the end , that doesnt mean it was fair for them to use a motorcycle.
Get bullied by a tryhard swf group and you will see that its just no fun playing against them.From what I've seen, good killers don't get bullied.
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@Spiritbx said:
Good thing the devs only make 100% viable killers and not a bunch of ######### ones along with a few good ones.
Also matchmaking is pretty much useless, putting players that play every day since the begining along with players that are new or only play casually.Depends on your definition of Viable. I can 2K/3K all day every day on all the killers, that's pretty darn viable to me, but I only need to pip to be satisfied.
While others think killers aren't viable if they don't 4K every match.
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Did you read? They're not comparing tbagging and racial slurs, they're comparing tbagging and face camping...SenzuDuck said:@Attackfrog said:
Playing in a way that is frustrating to the opposition is as old as the concept of opposition itself, yet how some survivors get so triggered by me standing by their hook for 2 mins that they call me racial slurs and tell me to kill my self is beyond me.I by no means condone that though so, ok? Racial slurs are a bannable offense, tagging is not, so comparing them is silly.
But here we are, once again - having a pissing contest about who is worse when both sides are just as bad as each other.
and camping is super boring anyway so I very rarely ever get attacked for such gameplay.
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Killers getting bullied dosent really happen in high ranks. If anything toxic squads are fine by me makes for a way easier game as i don't have to seek em out. They come to me. Gen rush squads on the other hand end games with the click of a finger its absurd. My gripes is with toolboxes and great skill checks the progression a survivours gets off greats give a massive amount of additional progression once you get really good at them.SenzuDuck said:@Spiritbx said:
The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@The_Crusader said:
Because killers can't accept that they suck.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been playing solo and the killer gets salty as accuses us of being swf.
Tbh they could be asking just because they face a lot of SWF. After every game, no matter how it went, I always ask if the team was SWF when I play Spirit since SWF is all I face.
They don't ask, they straight up accuse. Hell I've seen killers get a 3k and then throw a strop and say we were swf and it was unfair.
They really only will accept a 4k.
You must play mostly survivor. You know, just because survivors throw the game doesnt mean it was fair or fun.
If someone uses a motorcycle in a relay race, but crashes in the end , that doesnt mean it was fair for them to use a motorcycle.
Get bullied by a tryhard swf group and you will see that its just no fun playing against them.From what I've seen, good killers don't get bullied.
Some killers need buffs particularly pig, freddy, doctor and to some extent leatherface. Most of them have major issues with their power not having much of a mindgame at loops with obvious weaknesses tjat people can exploit or require really specific add ons to be viable. Which kill the diversity in killer builds.
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That's because they only "fixed" the hitboxes in relation to survivors, not trucks, rocks and other terrain.SenzuDuck said:@PigNRun said:
1) Huntress Hatchets hitboxes (now reverted)
2) Clown Bottles not launching correctly (still not fixed)
3) Broken unhooking invincibility frames (still not fixed)Those are not taking into consideration the bugs caused by the engine update, but those are new, so its fair to see how long they take to fix them.
Oh yea dude, utterly unplayable, totally ruined.
They tried better hitboxes with the Huntress and all the huntress killers that relied on their lag to hit around corners weren't happy with the accurate hitboxes, how unfortunate.
I've never seen anyone complain about clown bottles?
I don't camp so honestly will never experience the invincibility frame issues so won't comment on that one.
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Literally erupted into laughter at the word "empathy."
The whole post was comedy gold, though.
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All i'm gonna say
Statistics put survival escape rate % between 30-50% throughout all ranks and I believe that was dated in Novemeber or October, years of change from how it used to be.
Therefore, using statistics to form an opinion, there's no right to complain due to having the statistic lean towards a more balanced atmosphere.
Now, if I regard the actual bs mechanics in the game, I lose what to think.
A forum is a place to voice an opinion afterall. Let people insist on what they want, just ignore it then man. I don't know.
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Okay, we're making ground now (and this is good thing).SenzuDuck said:@Nickenzie said:
Sigh... I'll try one more time @SenzuDuck. If tbagging is just a few pixels bouncing up and down then what about the middle finger? I mean, it's just me moving my finger and it's not causing any harm?Btw, I DON'T DOES THIS, JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. Everyone reacts difficulty to things is what I'm trying to say man, it just depends on the situation and the context clues. Also, I definitely don't agree with tbagging being a bannable.
Sigh, and the middle finger is something that is done in real life to offend people. ITS A REAL THING. If you get into a fight and you win, do you crouch over the unconscious person and tbag them?
"...The middle finger is something that is done in real life to offend people."
Tbagging is also a "REAL THING". Some survivors will tbag just to offend the killer, like after every pallet stun just to add more insult to injury. In that situation with some context clues, I can see the killer getting annoyed because there's no reason for the survivor to tbag after every pallet stun, why is it necessary to do that at every pallet stun? Knowing this, the killer is left to assume the survivor is doing that to add more insult to injury since you been pallet stunned, it's the most logical thinking anyone would do. That's how tbagging can be offensive but there are also ways how a tbag can be funny (I think you know).
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Freudentrauma said:
I think I worte about it in the past. But I guess you just lack empathy then ...
Tbagging is an act on active disrespect, right in front of a person, who during match is under constant stress with almost no calming phases compared to the other 4 they face.
It's probably one the main reasons, why DbD always had a form of "bullying simulator" problem in it's core design. Survivors have enough safe spaces to actively disrespect the killer without any direct consequences. They do it in situations, when the killer is most likely stressed right now, which means it will most likely work. And when it works it starts a spiral of frustration for the killer, because they get more unstable -> more mistakes beeing made -> more opportunity to Tbag and disrespect -> etc.
You might not experience such games by yourself. Maybe because you don't care about that, when you play killer. Or maybe because you are more mentaly stable. But I would argue that the average player, or an average human beeing is vulnerable.
And the argument it's a video game is actually quite fitting. When you play a video game you expect at least to be in a form of a safe space. One where you experienced stress in an controlled manner. And I know online gaming can be toxic and frustrating, but when it's crossing the line of active humilation, then yey there is an issue.
Especially in asymmetrical game, where the amount of stress is highly different for each side.Lack empathy? Good god.
I T-Bag when a killer is camping to see if it'll get them to chase me so my random team mate has a chance of getting points, this is a video game, tbagging has been in every game with a crouch button for 15 years and I've never seen so many people crying about it, it ACTUALLY has a use in this game because some killers get so upset by it that they'll stop camping someone to get the person that's going it.
If you're vulnerable and things such as crouching rapidly are going to trigger you, you should step away from the game and take the proper measures to sort your life out. If tbagging is the reason you want to cry at night YOU NEED A BREAK.
Yada yada safe spaces in games where you literally murder people, tbagging is the least awful thing in this game and I'll reiterate, if tbagging is so harmful to your mental state you need to seek a professional.
Camping is comparable because survivors have a choice to rush the hook or try to teabag/taunt the killer to chase (as you mentioned you do).
In game taunting has existed forever. Camping is an in game frustrating action, but the survivor can choose what he types post game or decide to simply pop into another game.
Same as killer chasing a teabagger.
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@Nickenzie said:
Okay, we're making ground now (and this is good thing).
"...The middle finger is something that is done in real life to offend people."
Tbagging is also a "REAL THING". Some survivors will tbag just to offend the killer, like after every pallet stun just to add more insult to injury. In that situation with some context clues, I can see the killer getting annoyed because there's no reason for the survivor to tbag after every pallet stun, why is it necessary to do that at every pallet stun? Knowing this, the killer is left to assume the survivor is doing that to add more insult to injury since you been pallet stunned, it's the most logical thinking anyone would do. That's how tbagging can be offensive but there are also ways how a tbag can be funny (I think you know).
TL;DR
Think of tbagging as laughing in real life. There are times where it's appropriate and other times not so much. Depending on when you laugh, it can be taken differently.It's a video game Nickenzie, understand this. ITS A VIDEO GAME It's NOT comparable to real life actions, no one ACTUALLY tbags in real life, people ACTUALLY put up the middle finger in real. They are NOT comparable good lord.
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@Attackfrog said:
Camping is comparable because survivors have a choice to rush the hook or try to teabag/taunt the killer to chase (as you mentioned you do).In game taunting has existed forever. Camping is an in game frustrating action, but the survivor can choose what he types post game or decide to simply pop into another game.
Same as killer chasing a teabagger.
"Survivors have the choice to put themselves into harms way to TRY and rescue a survivor, knowing they might also go down and then get camped" rinse, repeate.
As opposed to, a survivor tbags and the killer can chose to stay and get his kill OR go after the survivor
Yea, don't see how they are comparable, in both situations the killer holds all the cards on what's going to happen, you can easily hit the unhooker and hit them again before the action is complete and have someone else to camp.
You're really grasping at straws here now.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Attackfrog said:
Camping is comparable because survivors have a choice to rush the hook or try to teabag/taunt the killer to chase (as you mentioned you do).In game taunting has existed forever. Camping is an in game frustrating action, but the survivor can choose what he types post game or decide to simply pop into another game.
Same as killer chasing a teabagger.
"Survivors have the choice to put themselves into harms way to TRY and rescue a survivor, knowing they might also go down and then get camped" rinse, repeate.
As opposed to, a survivor tbags and the killer can chose to stay and get his kill OR go after the survivor
Yea, don't see how they are comparable, in both situations the killer holds all the cards on what's going to happen, you can easily hit the unhooker and hit them again before the action is complete and have someone else to camp.
You're really grasping at straws here now.
Not really. The survivor chooses to.foolishly rush the hook.when the killer is close by when they could be doing something more productive.
The survivor also chooses to perform a teabag, knowing full well the likely impression it makes (taunt).
Yes the killer chooses to camp, but a survivor chose to teabag (often times doing so when he feels safe), knowing the consequences.
The killer controls the action but the survivor doesn't live in a vacuum. He chose the action in the hopes of inciting the killer.
I am not sure you know what "grasping at straws means" or maybe you are not able to understand how certain actions have consequences (it would be like a person walking into a bar with a short that says "punch me ***hole!)...there are certain expected consequences for this.
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