Why you give more bloodpoints to the survivors?
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I’m pretty sure most of us play both roles so, why complain about getting more bp?
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I'm pretty sure the only people who are complaining are the ones who don't.
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@Tsulan cause they really do?
lots of people already wrote about WGLF and BBQ comparsion, as long as VS-ing with fellow survivors for points. Like, in case of WGLF, the maximum amount of safe unhooks is 8. Thats a cap for 2 survivors. Protective hits are broken asf, and the worst... Getting stacks by that way makes game longer. Like, if you want to get protective hit, you should follow chased survivor, instead of doing objective.
And yeah, once again, when it comes to the event OR 2x bp, all the people ll go for the killer queue, cause getting BBQ stacks and BPS on each category is way more easier, than surviving, while gaining progress each category, or trying to get WGLF stacks.
P.s - previous comment not about you, tbh
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@Tsulan It is probably boiling down to how the grind is starting to feel like a pile of crap.
I wouldn't really care if it was not "extra" points, but points spread out differently.
If I'm gonna play harder to get those escape points and spend just as much time in the match as the killer, then I might aswell play the killer to maximize my points.
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Which is why I suggested pips could be used instead. It would need testing. You could be correct and it would prove to be a bad thing.
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At this point in time, whether or not survivors get less BP is irrelevant. The perception that they do is starting to cause major problems for the game, so I support buffs to survivor point gain.
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I honestly don't care if they decide to give more BP (as it will help the grind for everyone all around) but considering the original intent behind the BP increase for killers was due to item/add-on economy (killers only have the bloodweb to replenish supply) I'm wondering what they are going to do to address this problem.
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@MegaWaffle probably nothing. Since an increase in killer points would call for a shitstorm from survivors.
They percive that they get less. Even if it´s not, but there is no way to convince them.
So survivors will get more points + get items during the match. While killers get... a git gud comment.
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Unfortunately, for many people, their perception of reality is more important than reality.
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@Orion just found a thread, where someone had long queues as killer AND as survivor.
Yep, it´s clearly a "survivor not appealing enough" issue. That will be "solved" (or not) by increasing the blood points for survivors.
Can´t wait for the "told ya" comments.
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killers don't have a bp problem (except for some of their deviousness gains). I wouldn't complain about more bp tho. I didn't except anyone to, but here u are
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I don’t know why anyone would.
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Amazing, isn't it?
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It's weird how even the devs themselves have noticed the difference in BP gain enough to put it in their dev update, but a few biased killer mains here chalk it up to delusion. If the devs are spending resources making adjustments then obviously they see it as an issue.
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Yes, however, if you are totally destroyed ofc you will not have max blood points. On an average game that I have the survivors have around 15-20k a piece. Although, with wraith recently I have been getting closer to the 30k mark you have to take into consideration of the grind between survivors and killers. Survivors keep their stuff upon exit addons are 'recharged' every trial. They have the ability to search chests with perks to get more and more of these (FOR FREE.) Killer you have to do bloodwebs over and over to restock addons. Killers either need to get more blood points than survivors or another mechanic similar to the survivors needs to be implemented. @brokedownpalace
Mechanic like this: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/73591/black-chest-or-black-alter-killer-addons#latest
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How has this thread been hiding from me? It reeks of survivor-entitlement and double-standards.
It's more expensive to be a killer: we lose everything we bring to a match no matter if we do our objectives or not.
That is without even addressing the survivor-meme that 'killers get more bloodpoints', a craven lie that ignores killers having to do more in a match and having to remain in all cases until the end of the match before they can go find another. Only BBQ changes this, but survivors have their equivalent perk that goes in hand with how BBQ works; survivors just refuse to use it.
The devs have made it 'more equal' before, when they gave survivors compensation points for when the killer leaves mid-match because killers got them. That was equal though: killers were being compensated because we always lose our addons and don't have the means to preserve them between matches as survivors do. When the devs changed this and gave survivors those unearned compensation points, it should have been alongside giving killers a way to earn our addons back during the match.
It didn't happen though and they still wonder why a lot of the OG killer-mains are always angry. It's because we don't forget stuff that happened more than a few months ago.
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Can't we go one day without complaining about a change?
They didn't buff or nerf any killers or perks
Who cares if you can get some more BP as survivor? Maybe now they won't DC so often cause there's an actual amount of points to gain.
Personally it won't affect how often I play killer or survivor.
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I don't see being fair to both sides as a bad thing
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Currently there are 60 killer perks and 65 survivor perks. The grind for both sides is grueling. Killers trying to say survivors shouldn’t earn more bp based off of their own confirmation bias is stupid. We lose our items and add ons all the time. Sometimes we never ever get use out of an item before dying in a trial. On average survivors earn about half as much bp as killers, and can leave a trial with less bp than a killer gets for doing almost nothing.
If you want killer que times to improve, and to be able to play killer during events, then offering more compensation to survivors is going to HELP you. How can some of you not see that? When I am grinding to level a survivors bloodweb I reluctantly play killer just because I can easily with perks and offerings get 60k-100k+ per trial. If I could get even close to that as survivor I’d not bother playing killer during events and in times where I’m grinding, and many others would also not being fighting you for lobbies. This is only going to improve things for both sides, in no way will survivors earning slightly more bp harm killers so can we stop acting like that’s the case? Or do y’all complaining have more nonsense arguments to add?
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I'm a switch and if i can reduce the time i need to grind out the bloodweb as a survivor i'm happy. If the devs said that my survivor items no longer recharge between games i'd still be happy.
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I geuss it makes sense if survs earn more then killer matchmaking may be balanced
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Survivors literally just want something for free, with no fuss or argument. It was already unfair before they got their first freebie in terms of bloodpoints and every request since has been for the gap to widen under the pretense of a killer-lead in points that doesn't exist.
If they cared one tiny bit for truth, they'd be talking about points-per-time-played, accounting for the post-match adjustments. They have to talk instead about points-per-match because on a level playing-field, the double-standards are nakedly obvious.
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You're acting as though survivors earning more points means you get less. The grind in this game is ridiculous and currently we all know that survivors earn fewer points. So what you're saying is that only 20% of the people in a match should get enough points to make any significant progress in a bloodweb despite the fact that survivors have a longer grind than killers.
If they keep the survivors bloodpoint gain the same as it is now, within a few chapters there will be no survivors for you to earn bloodpoints from seeing as they only ever get a fraction of the points that killers get. Maybe instead of instantly jumping on the killer main bandwagon of "SuRvIvOrS eNtItLeD" maybe just realise that everyone in the game is really trying to get points and you aren't any more entitled to them than anyone else. Also FYI, add-ons aren't necessary to play the game, you can play effectively with most killers without them and if you think otherwise then you've become too reliant on them.
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There are exactly 2 killers that don't require addons. Guess where they are in the food chain.
You know, I would love to have a killer perk that gives me free addons. Just like plunderers and ace in the hole.
But such things only exist for survivors.
When I equip my farm build on my survivors I get items worth of 10-12k points.
Survivors have the tools. But complain when they don't use them.
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-Spirit
-Nurse
-Hillbilly
-Hag
-Shape
Each one of these killers can be played effectively using only perks and without add-ons, however only one can be used effectively without perks. The only one I believe is still somewhat weak is shape seeing as he has very little map pressure but despite this, can still be used effectively due to his stealthy nature and one shot ability.
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If I thought survivors getting more points means I get less, I'd say so. You have to give me an opinion I don't have because you have nothing else to reply with. Your entire post is based on giving me this opinion and ignoring the view that I actually expressed.
Survivors do not care one bit about what is and isn't true. Change my mind.
'Killers get more bloodpoints than survivors' is an ancient survivor-meme which they have never been able to support with evidence. If we ever see a proper set of data showing points-per-time-played, there would be grounds to make specific claims as long as a time-series was available showing if and how it changed over time.
What we do know for certain is how what points each role has been awarded has changed and in which patches. We know what survivors lobbied for then recieved and we know what killers lobbied for in response but were ignored.
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A day without complaining about a change? At no game forum, anywhere.
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Can you type one comment without mentioning “survivor meme”?
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When survivors stop posting them, I'll stop talking about them.
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You called playing both sides a survivor meme even though killer and survivor mains say this.
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I’m not sure the point your trying to get at.. You want chests for killers? I mean it sounds like you want the devs to just implement a way for killers to get more addons, which I don’t think anyone would have a problem with.. that’s no reason to try and keep the survivor bp gain abysmal.
Also, when I say survivors don’t get a chance to use their items I’m talking about killers using franklins which if we wanna look at things the way you’re thinking is causing survivors to actually lose bp.
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I won't dispute this, just your framing of it: killer-mains do not need to say that they are killer-mains. Some have and I'd ask them: 'what was the point of that?', because they don't need to.
Survivors-mains need to because they're obsessed with status and they assume people who are very different in terms of personality are actually like them. They want others to believe what they say 'as a killer-main' or 'I play both sides' because they want to avoid discussing details; they want others to just take them at their word.
Killers do not need to do this because when you play as a killer you're managing your stress whilst making fact-based decisions which create that stress. Killers are resilliant, ponderous and detail-driven; spinning several plates mentally whilst not losing focus on priorities. If you're able to follow an argument, what someone has actually said and cross-reference it, you don't need to tell anyone you can be trusted because you are are whatever label. No one can direct a doubt that is legitimate at a killer which the killer hasn't already themselves considered.
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You’re more likely to understand both sides struggles if you play both sides, that is why people clarify. I’ve seen people from both sides make fact based arguments and others who don’t.
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I'll believe it when I see it; but whenever I do see 'I play both sides', I wouldn't lose any money betting on what follows being a predictably survivor-focused perspective. Put it in the same box as 'killers just want 4k'.
Most people play both sides. Killers do not need to announce it and understand it's meaningless, except for identifying the obvious survivor-mains who have no idea how they look to others yet obsess over it.
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Not one survivor is complaining that they dont get enough items or addons! They want BPs to be fair. If I'm in a game as long as the killer and have done as much as possible (and survived) I dont see why I'm 10k bloodpoints below the killer.
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Because the killer also did a lot. More so, in fact, than any individual survivor. Killers also have single-use add-ons, as opposed to survivors who just need to escape with their items to keep their add-ons.
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i visibly cringed reading this
your borderline martyrdom of killer mains while assigning survivor bias to anyone who does play both sides betrays your own killer bias
lots of people do not play both sides, which is painfully obvious reading people's posts on this forum. and even less people play both sides extensively
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If survivors wanted fairness, they never would have asked for the same compensation that a killer gets when a survivor leaves a match, but for a killer leaving.
You got to keep your item+addons, the killer got the missing Sacrifice points plus the tiny Quitter Bonus per survivor, which is still less than what most addons cost. At least that was how it was on-paper; killers mostly just received the Quitter Bonus but not the Sacrifice because survivors were disconnecting in a way that denied it(so they could preserve their own items no less). Survivors complained about that exploit and it got fixed, only after they got the unjustified point-boost; it was left as-is for months when only killers suffered it. The devs fixed it in weeks when it applied to survivors.
It was never enough though; even as killers continued losing addons in every match with no opportunity to earn them back, survivors demanded more unearned points on top of their existing advantage. I've even seen them demand points for when other survivors leave or disconnect, a recipe for premades to grief other survivors.
Do not claim survivors are concerned with fairness.
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The majority of players do actually play both sides.
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I have never accused anyone of bias: that's also a survivor-meme.
You also didn't bother reading the post you're responding to. Most people play both roles, but only survivor-mains have a need to let everyone know they do, for the reasons I've outlined.
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people who "play both sides" indicate that they do so in order to communicate that they don't main either side, so you missed the point of my reply
your next post is just as laughable, honestly. somehow survivors are the only ones not concerned with fairness while killers are egalitarian saints
just more to cringe over
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not to the extent that it matters
if you main killer and occasionally queue survivor to play blendette you're still a killer main
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I missed the point because the point is absurd and no reasonable person can be expected to get it. This is the first time I have ever heard of anyone believing that 'playing both sides' means there is no preference for either role. The reality is that killer-preferring players still play survivor and survivor-preferring players sometimes go killer; is there an alternative way of describing these people without confusing them with your unique definition of 'plays both sides'?
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literally the whole point of saying you play both sides is to indicate that you understand both sides from playing them extensively
playing mostly killer with a little survivor (as well as the opposite) doesn't fit that description. you still main one side, even if you play a bit of the other
can't believe this needs to be explained to someone
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It needs to be explained because you invented it and super-imposed it over the explanation given by every single person ever who has said 'I play both sides'.
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it doesn't. there's no other reason to point out that you play both sides. you are just being pedantic by saying this, which undermines any point you were trying to make to begin with
not that it needed much undermining
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To be fair, a lot of survivors struggled through killer games to get those vials as well at first. I know I did thise first to be done with them when it was X per side and not farm whichever you want.
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Anybody saying 'I play both sides' and also 'killers just want to 4k' and other survivor-meme nonsense like it, is a survivor-main. The point is that their declaration is meaningless and the fact they think it matters is what outs them as a survivor-main.
Many people, practically everyone, plays both sides: only survivor-mains needs to assert it though.
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i can't believe you can type nonsense like this and not realize how much it outs your killer bias, but i also can
the only reason anyone feels the need to point it out on this forum, specifically, is because people get accused of being survivor mains when they don't
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I'm pretty sure he's trolling. Nobody is that dumb... I wouldnt bother replying to him at this stage.
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