The Representation Tweet

I mean if anyone is sounding like they are feeling oppressed it’s those against inclusion of LGBT+ in the game. Like, why do you feel attacked by it at all, it really should not affect you. and then those people say LGBT community victimizes itself. Ironic.

They really haven't always existed, though. Read some more advanced biology textbooks.

OK.

About your #3

You are either being willfully ignorant or just deciding to ignore basically everything anyone else is saying. The only time anyone mentioned heterosexual relations are being forced down anyone's throat is after people complained that BHVR will shove LGBT+ relationships down their throat. If they write an LGBT+ character as they have written most of the other characters would it be being shoved down your throat? We have no reason to think that they would write it any differently. Except for the writing of Jane's story, but that's a whole other bag of worms, but that isn't about any intimate/sexual relationship anyway.

If you say yes, that you think them writing any LGBT+ relationship would be shoving it down your throat, then @Orion , and any one else who mentioned it, would be correct in stating that Heterosexual relationships are being shoved down our throat. And from what we've seen of how BHVR writes relationships it hard to come to any other conclusion since so many are saying they are going to do a poor job of it.

Also, their tweet was an apology for straight up lying to the community about the sexuality of the characters. You say its pandering, because its a tweet, but I'm not really sure where else they could have posted an apology that would both be immediately visible and easily shareable.

It was an apology because they said they wouldn’t include any sexual orientations but they did mention several hetero relationships. It’s really not hard to understand.

and I can assure you if they just added any LGBT+ line in a backstory, there would have been an outrage from people because BHVR stated before they wouldn’t mention this. They had to make a statement to revise their stance. And they could have made this in the anniversary stream or made a Q&A or an „around the campfire“-stream with this topic. But they only made one small insignificant tweet. That’s not pandering, that was the minimum they could have done.

just google statistics for Europe. There are 6 % in Europe, while there are differences in the individual countries, with the highest being Germany with 7 %.

but this doesn’t matter, the point is there is no reason to exclude LGBT from Videogames. It shouldn’t hurt or affect you that chars are LGBT, it isn’t shoved down any throats if there is just a mention of it in the lore in DbD. There are of course other games where the inclusion might be wrongly executed, but this is solely about DbD and you don’t know how they will handle it. I am not asking for it, never have, but I think it’s not the false thing to do.

also the chars don’t really represent the world population at all, the Entity cherry picks and is looking for people with strong emotions, will to live, hope, having gone through struggle and coming out of it bigger. I would argue there are many LGBT+ people that would fit this.

I didn’t start the statistics thing, that was never a good argument for or against inclusion. And of course western countries have more reliable statistics for this, but even here you can see big differences..

Including some LGBT chars is not overrepresentation, or would adding 2 or more red haired chars be overrepresentation as well? Actually a good reason to add LGBT chars is individuality of those chars and their backgrounds and not have every char just be the most average human being possible.

Also it is ‚needed‘ in this game because the lore is something that the devs clearly want to put more focus on, basing this on the fact that background stories are getting longer and more detailed and also looking at the tomes. It is just natural that going on with this, they will mention (romantic) relationships and they already have, why should they limit themselves here to only heterosexual relationships?

See the issue isn't about representation, it's that people (and likely the devs) jump straight to stereotypes. Many of us are not the sort of people who want to wear pink fur coats or 'embrace fashion,' and the notion that we are constantly represented by such stereotypes marginalises us further.

In writing a 'race-positive' character, they literally made a social justice warrior, and I don't mean that like the way it's thrown around, I mean she is literally someone who fights for social justice. They couldn't make her race-positive without race being her entire identity, and defining feature. I'm worried that we're going to get the exact same stereotypes thrown at us and be told 'there, be grateful you're represented now!'

Honestly the parody of what it is to be gay that is represented in most TV shows these days is about as accurate as racial stereotypes being used to make ethnic characters, then telling them "you should be grateful that we included you, even if it was in an offensive way!"

jesus christ this thread is still going huh?

Here's a solution, just make everyone Pan. Then there's no romantic relationship representation problems. People can make whatever arts they want without potentially having to change a character's sexuality.

And as of current no one's sexuality can be "changed". Just because nurse had a husband doesn't mean she isn't bi or pan, same goes for Frank and Julie.