Xeno is now C-tier

When survivor hit boxes are so large, and often trail behind them when they're running, making hits around corners so easy, why does his hitbox matter?

I personnally wouldn't have minded if BHVR had fixed the bug and tried out 2.0m/s, but I understand that they skipped it considering most people who pulled out the math and comparisons to go on and on about how it was too much didn't take the bug into account. I'm aware most people don't play the PTB but I still think the initial feedback not complaining about 1.2m/s definitely played a part in BHVR deciding it was fine and not risk survivors being angry Xeno being too strong until the next patch by trying out 2.0.

I don't know if 2.0 would have been fine (although I honestly doubt it), but I'm assuming Xeno was overperforming and if its killrate drops too low they'll change it again.

That filter looks so cool, do you always use it when playing Xeno

I'm no good at math but I'm pretty sure that's an oversimplification, in any case as I said I wouldn't have minded trying out 2.0 and i think Xeno might still get tweaks in the next patch.

I was just saying Xeno feels bad right now because people got used to the bug, but that really he's not bad.

Having a low skill floor does not have anything to do with how viable it is, but how accessable it is... You won't get far with m1 only Billy if you only use the chainsaw for map traversal, but there are parts of his kit that are usable without training and such, and this is what skillfloor means...

Now tell me if those xeno players are console players or pc players because at this point console xeno's aren't even going to try those plays until they get godly with their aim lol

Just pointing out a flaw in your argument you're acting like the tiny hitbox isn't a thing when in fact it's tiny and its funny how you use Nemesis as an example when its known that her hitbox is smaller and shorter than his lol

heck the big reason why a lot of xeno players hit shots like that now is due to the ability to drag the tail with the camera which is something a lot of console players can't do really well I've seen a lot of clips on Twitter where xeno straight up misses survivors up close and if it was as big as you claim wouldn't happen

Edit to include links to some clips

https://twitter.com/cyndalavosion/status/1702387108533641520?t=w7Y4Fcpo8vJvWq2_juMOsg&s=19

https://twitter.com/demoxdog/status/1702396754765697212?t=0R4grUU4YAASAFv7HG3gEA&s=19

Ok, so what? Does this change anything about the point I made about what skill floor means and that is has nothing to do with performance or how well you do with him?

Billy is a great killer as he power fun gameplay on both sides, I also agree that he is terribly weak these days after his rework, and he got nerfed into the ground. But I would say playing against Billy is way more fun than going against bubba. And also yes he is very hard to play, probably the hardest killer in the game.

The question is do you play a killer because you want good results or because you like the gameplay? If you only care about the first ok go play Nurse and Spirit only. If not there are a lot more fun killers in the game, that might not be that strong but offer fun gameplay so your choice.

I used Nemesis as an example because the OP literally talked about him? Maybe learn to read first, and respond second.

As for console players, they're not the majority, so none of the buffs/nerfs should be based around them. They make the choice to play this game on console knowing fully well that they MIGHT not play it as optimally as other platforms. The hitbox isn't tiny, get your proof first, then come talk nonsense afterwards. Or maybe spare us both the time and get skilled at playing Xeno or just not play it at all if all you're going to do is whine about a bug that got fixed and a minor nerf.

Quite a few users have claimed that Xeno's hit box is currently bugged and is hitting objects incorrectly instead of the survivor. Maybe that's why you are having difficulties with her. Maybe give her another try after this is changed.

"Also, I like you left out the biggest plus to nemmy's power and that is breaking pallets very quickly when you are in tier two"

Yeah i did forget to mention the pallet break. Fair point. Breaking pallets with the tentacle is a nice bonus but you won't have it at the beginning. That's actually a big deal against good survivors that know how to delay you from tiering up.

Xeno's ability to use her M2 on demand and not being tied to a infection mechanic for damage makes her a lot more dangerous near pallets. She can hit her tail reliably on most pallets. Tiles/Pallets that would normally be a 50/50 are pretty much a guaranteed down for a good Xeno. You have time to use the tail as reaction to a survivor dropping or vaulting.

On these same situations Nemesis has to predict and outplay the survivors tough. I don't think they are on the same level.

'I'll also add the fact that at least with nemmy hitbox it doesn't just stop when you hit an object while with xeno tail if any part of the hitbox hits an object the attack just gets canceled"

That does happen with Nemesis. Its why crouching on most windows protects you from the tentacle. The hitbox starts above you and goes down. If it hits something on the environment (like the window that the survivor is crouching behind) it won't hurt/infect the survivor.

"Is Xeno a C tier killer? No, I even dont think that but I dont think she A tier either. I think she more a higher B now if anything. As for Nemmy I also put him in B tier tho I personally think he only slightly easier play and is better than Xeno"

I would place Xeno at the bottom of A personally but i see why you would place her in B ( Xeno in C tier is absurd though). She has the tools to keep up with coordinated Swfs. Nemesis can't keep up with that kind of efficiency and has part of his power tied to randomness. Top of C is where i would rank him.

You still didn't tell us what other killers belong in your C-tier list because you know it's going to sound funny having Xeno next to them.👀

I do see Xenomorph as C+ - A- tier, perk and add-on dependable, as well as map dependable.

Missing tail attacks is an option that punishes the player heavily, which shall be a thing and I'm convinced that BHVR has done the right thing here, but that shall not really matter, right? Can't you just.. Learn how to fake it? There might be a difficulty doing so, but the tiny window that the survivors give you while you're on your fours shall give you the time to catch up to them if necessary.

Xenomorph's power is hidden beneath curving the tail attacks. The moment you master that, you can hit behind the obstacles that are safe against most killers, making Xenomorph one of the deadliest killers in the entire game, assuming you can hit them.

If you dislike the turrets so much, do use add-ons against them, like the helmet and soda to reveal their auras. If the survivors set way too many turrets near the generators, do give them up. Let them repair those generators, and focus on areas where there are no turrets placed yet. You see, there's a limit of how many turrets can be deployed in the map, so destroying the turrets can actually very easily backfire at you, just like it can backfire at survivors for setting them up instead of sticking to the generators.

Feel free to complain, I will gladly keep playing Xenomorph.. If I find the time, of course. And you and other players being discouraged from playing it frees me one more perk slot, making me dropping Self-Awareness to mitigate the hindered value while moving with the turret, which is neat.

I do agree with what you're saying, but I'd like you to elaborate onto why do you see Xenomorph unfun; Would that be possible?

Claiming XYZ isn't fun doesn't lead to productive discussion, and more or less always states for venting, making the opinion not worth considering because there's no explanation for that.

Trickster horrible

That's not even how the whip attack works. The Nemesis whip is multiple hitboxes, stacked in a vertical line, that all move perfectly horizontal. Crouching at a window can block the whip, because the whip doesn't move downward like a whip, and instead the horizontally traveling hitboxes hit the window because they are moving horizontally.

People still buy chapters on release?

You have to treat new chapters like they're Early Access and wait for the official nerfed product.

Most killers recently have been buffed since release?

Wesker, Knight, Skull Merchant, Singularity were all buffed within a short to moderate timeframe of their release. Sadako took longer, but did eventually get buffed.

The only one that's been nerfed is Xenomorph, because Xenomorph is the only one that needed to be nerfed.

Not sure what tier placement or killrate have to do with this point.

Fair enough. I checked the Otz demonstration and you are right. What a mess of a hit box. The hit boxes in the top move faster which gave me my wrong impression about the attack moving downwards.

With the right timing you can hit people through the gap bellow a dropped pallet lol. Not a very useful tech tough.

As i said above i got the hit box wrong. Fair enough. That makes the tentacle more forgiving to use as you argued.

RPD is one one of the few maps i would say is good for Nemesis. The collisions in the mape are good for his whip and the tight corridors help his zombies. In this Map i would say he performs at a B tier level. But he is pretty lackluster in most maps, especially the larger ones.

Not going to say the Xeno is better in every regard. But a few scenarios where the tentacle is better than the tail don't really close the gap between them all that much. My other comparisons between the two killers still stand.

The tail is still more reliable and time efficient in most scenarios and Xeno still has better map pressure, tracking, unpredictability and a much better early game. Needing to hit your M2 3 times is a big weakness for Nemmy as well.

Sounds like you are pretty good with Nemy and more skilled with him than with Xeno. That's fine but i am discussing their overall strength, rather than difficulty. If difficulty mattered for tier lists Nurse would not be S tier.