Revert Blight hug tech

Ah thx. I thought so too. Sometimes the right questions shut those people up though because they don't have answers.

They should fix Oni's flick exploit as well. Chucky had it on release and it was fixed in a few weeks. Oni players have been abusing it for years. Hopefully soon!

Devs only killswitch for game breaking issues. They don't killswitch over non game breaking bugs.

Do I report them? No. The devs already said while it's an exploit, they aren't punishing people for abusing it and will eventually fix it. No point in reporting in that case.

Remember when survivors could exploit by bugging themselves into lockers making them completely immune to damage and being grabbed? Obviously cheating, and very game breaking. Even then, BHVR didn't do bans but instead killswitched the perks allowing the cheat. Generally, BHVR just has a habit of not punishing cheating unless it's tied to actual hacks. Some dev studios do it that way, while other studios ban even if it's cheating via bug exploits.

All because BVHR doesn't ban exploiters doesn't suddenly mean the bug being exploited should be considered fair play and left in. As a rule of thumb, they try to not killswitch unless absolutely necessary. An exploit not being killswitched doesnt mean it is acceptable, it just means it wasnt gamebreaking enough to warrant a killswitch. Their philosophy is to ban hack cheaters and allow exploiters to continue playing with the intent on eventually fixing the exploit. If the exploitbis bad enough, they step in with a killswitch.

So yeah, people have been exploiting that hug tech for a while, and BHVR has finally gotten around to fixing the exploit. Took a while, but they finally did it. What you have is a bunch of people abusing the exploit for so long that they have become dependant on it. Now that the exploit has been fixed, they are upset for having to play fairly.

broo. you can learn it and it works consistent enough for players to go on streaks in the thousands.
this is legit just a skill issue for all the people that refuse to put time in this mechanical skill. and you don't have to play him if you want a simpler power go play something else.
Leave the fun thing in the game for people that want something that is a more complex mechanical skill.

it's not about if he is good or bad without hug tech. it is a fun skill that they are taking away from the players.

So it can't be that bad then. So why do you complain?

And hug-tech on Blight has existed since his release btw. That was 3.5 years ago. I don't play Blight, but I am very capable of seeing the greater picture here, which you can't.

They remove Hug-tech, a lot of players will be pissed (similar to when Billy got Overheat) resulting in frustration and a lower number of total players. The removed Sky Billy (which would also be an exploit according to your argumentation) and other fun stuff, which made the game bland for many people (I guess some of them are the cheaters of today, as they want to have fun again).

In addition it is dangerous for the same reasons because other characters who use certain advanced techniques (like Oni, Wesker, Huntress) could get targeted as well in the future. I would not want that at all.

Removing depth to a character is unwise as this depth is what people like.

If you cannot see that at all, then I will not take the discussion further with you, because you are not worth my time then.

Did you report every bug exploiter?
When I had video evidence of bug exploits being done intentionally to victimize another, or admitted to it in endgame chat (including Oni flicks/Wesker wall dashes, and window-vault stagger skips and other bugs)? Yes. If they only did it once, I don't have evidence of them intentionally abusing the bug, but a self-report or multiple actions caught recorded would get a swift report. I've used this same self-report method against full-blown cheaters when they thought they were being tricky. (Skybilly is an example of a self-victimization as the result of a bug exploit, so I don't report someone victimizing themself. It still is illegal, but I feel the victim should always choose whether or not to 'press charges' so to speak.)
They've always been bannable, but some bugs you can't prove intent without multiple abuses, or a self-report.

Why didn't one of the most popular characters with some of the most skins get killswitched for a difficult to fix bug?
I'm gunna assume $$$ to be demoralizing/realistic. As far as 'such a problem', there are 30+ Killers, probably less than 10% of people intentionally abused the bug, so it impacted roughly 1% of matches in some of the highest estimates. Less than 1% impact is a low priority bug in the scheme of things.

One thing to note about bug-tech is that it did not exist since launch. Blight had functional collision when he had the crotch height camera. Moving the camera up to a normal Killer height broke his collision, and the jury-rigged patchjob of the follow-up bump verification is what causing bug-tech to exist.

Then it's 2.5 years instead of 3.5. Still more time than most people probably played the game nowadays.

Why should I be so negative and report every Blight I come across using this? There are people far worse than that who are actually worth the time. And as the Devs never posted it in the game itself, so I also guess a lot of people don't even know it's a bug (believe it or not, but there is only a small part of the community here in the forums). Before the era of the killswitched, they would post a warning in chat that abusing bug xxx was now officially bannable, which meant you could report everyone abusing it (it was a bug with legion's addons). I only report hackers and those who abused severe stuff like the locker/FL bug. I like to go against hug-tech. It's not that difficult to outplay if you know what you are doing. So again: why should I report people who brings me joy to the game? Theoretically you can also report every farming killer for "refusing to play normal". Do you also report those? If the answer is yes, then you are a very sorry soul.

Also afaik the Devs NEVER said anything about Wesker's hug-tech being a bug (also that already existed on the PTB. I did skinny Bert there by accident, which means hug-tech was also there but people didn't know it yet), so stop reporting people for that. They just enjoy the complexity of their gameplay.

And if that's not enough, we should all get together and ask the Devs to say us which techs are a bug and which aren't. So people can shut up about it for the rest of eternity.

It's not impossible... yes it takes time but people have thousands of hours in the game and it has been out for years now.

It is super easy to learn looping and movement if you just try. And it's okay for games to also have a bit harder mechanical skill.

So no it’s not impossible y'all just have to step out off your comfort zone and play a few matches against a good Blight. (There are so many Communitys that want to teach players just ask)

And if you don't wanna learn that is fine but then don't complain when someone takes the time and is just better. Respect this skill instead of crying that it should be taken away.

And for the last time just because something is a bug does not mean it should be taken away. And just because the devs want to do something that does not mean that it should happen that way. This is why we give feedback in this post.

Hello, BHV. I would like to leave my feedback on the change of The Blight. I know that the initial proposal we would not have hug technology, but it was a mechanic that was discovered over time by some players. It makes the game with more diversity of gameplay and that makes the game more fun. Survivor and killer game and in my opinion I find it much more fun to face The Blight with more diverse mechanics. Limiting this the game will be more cloying. I started playing as a killer when The Blight was released, before I didn't like to play as a killer I only played as a survivor, The Blight has the most fun mechanics of the game in my opinion. As a survivor I can play against The Blight that does hug technology, I don't think that should get out of the game. Just as The Blight has hug technology, the survivors have window technology and these mechanics make the game more fun for both sides. So please think carefully about the destination you want for The Blight, as this can frustrate a large part of the community. I know you are against the technology of hugs, but many people in the community do not agree with this change. This could be implemented in the game, thus making it even more diverse and with more frantic chases. Thank you.

I agree but the devs set the precedence to remove techs for the sake of removing techs. If they don't follow through, then that is a clear case of double standards.

One example for that was the removal of SkyBilly (Hillbilly's ability to traverse the map by using the chainsaw from an elevated position to get on top of obstacles, which redirect his momentum slightly upwards and allow him to traverse the map by "jumping" over obstacles rather than running around them). Instead of fixing what was actually broken to prevent him from clipping out of bounds, they completely changed his physics and added a variety of invisible walls that also limit Demogorgon's ability to increase the range of his shred, which is even hinted at in the loading screen. They even officially said they'd support SkyBilly as a tech a few years prior.

When they "fixed" SkyBilly it wasn't due to it having no counterplay, being too strong or whatever but simply because they no longer intended it to remain. Meaning, they removed it for the sake of removing an unintended feature.

Which is fine as long as they stay consistent with it. But I have an issue with it, if they don't because that's a double standard.

That doesn't matter now, though. The devs set the precedence. Now they need to either follow through or revert the change (which is not going to happen) and set a new rule for techs.

Is like saying… they did a bad change, now let's make the same bad change to everything else.

That is a fallacy. Your example would not be a rule that the devs made.

SkyBilly's removal however was. Because the rule that techs are allowed to stay in the game as long as they aren't problematic by BHVR's standards, was directly contradicted without any reasoning that would warrant an exception to the rule. They did not consider it problematic themselves and they made no argument as for why an exception would be warranted anyway.

Sometimes it is better to keep you mistakes cause something great can come from them... (read my comments for a better understanding)

Then maybe you can give an actual reason why the Hug Tech is a problem cause there is none...

what about survivor use jump tech flash tech?

Now I know who will probably report me for just having fun with Wesker. Thanks a lot.

Thanks, will do (when infractions meet my standards of a report aka prove intent). You enjoy your time as well!

Comp is done in customs, thus they aren't subject to the game rules listed previously, and also found under the Information Center tab. So this point is irrelevant.

It may be the case that people won't be banned, but would is different from should.

I don't view this as black and white as you, although I can see how my phrasing may have invoked such a reaction. Specifically my use of 'cheater'. To redefine for clarity, I am using 'cheater' as a short hand for "someone who has broken game rules to the level that could justify a report and/or ban." Using full on cheating software to teleport reaches this standard, as does using the game itself and twisting its arm to work in unintended ways also meets this standard. Kind of like how cheating on a test by giving another test participant answers is still cheating, even if you gained nothing from it. The colloquial 'cheating' would be only referring to raising your score, but the test's rules expands the definition to raising anyone's score. This too applies to the game rules and my usage of 'cheating'.

If you break the rules, you 'cheated'. Now there are minor rules like working with Killer that could be on paper true, but in practice were just people meming. If someone flubs a pallet save, and stays still in disappointment, this could, under the strictest of definitions, be considered working with Killer. In an extreme mind, you could twist that "oops I screwed up, let's make a joke of my failure" into "MWUHAHAHA now the Killer will think I am bad and will go easy on me, Turbo-Tunnel my teammates MWUHAHAHA".

For me, the line of breaking the rules is proving intent. There are so many different bugs in any given patch, that I need to know someone intentionally exploited a bug for their benefit in order to report them. I usually go for a rule of 3 (times exploiting the bug), or a self-report in endgame chat. If they say something like "yeah that was weird, I don't know what was going on", then even if I have the 27 times recorded, I might let that slide, but otherwise they broke the rules and I would report them.

I was being flippant with my (one-line) reply as you appeared to discard the game rules (and be equally flippant with my multi paragraph points) when it seeks your whim, but no, I'm not trolling with my major points. It stays on point with my message though, if oversimplified to an extreme.

I truly don't understand your point as I stated in the previous post. If a Survivor starts turbospeeding cross-map during the locker exit animation (only), but the devs didn't expressly state in an in-game announcement that its a bug, that doesn't magically mean it isn't a bug, especially if they stated on the forums it was a bug. Having sufficient hours in this game (and others) means that people have a decent sense of when something is lag, a bug, or something else.

Calling some things a tech when any individual thinks its cool doesn't negate its buggy nature. Also the DBD community at large is bad for calling everything a tech. "Dumb tech, Shift tech, Bloodlust tech, placed a trap as Trapper tech", I find people calling this, that, and everything a 'tech' a joke. It feels like they know the game isn't as serious as they wish it to be, and want to artificially inflate its importance by describing things as far more glorious than they actually are.

I do find it funny that full blown cheating software users and 'tech users' (specifically bug exploiters) resort to the exact same argumentation when called out. "Don't report, its a waste of yours and/or the devs time."* (Although to be fair full on software cheaters also threaten to make a new account.) To me that shows a certain level of known guilt that the person knows what they are doing is wrong, or is bare minimum against the rules, and doesn't want to face punishment for breaking those known rules.
*(I would link a CoconutRTS video here showing a software cheater saying essentially this, but to play it safe with the forum rules regarding cheating, that could be twisted by bad actors into a false claim of 'advertising cheats'.)

I will continue reporting people who break the rules in a way that ruins the gameplay experience for others, and I find it chilling and/or telling that you would want anyone to stop doing that.

If you thought that I don't report the blatant (and even subtle) cheaters, you are wrong.

I have 7k hrs and 5.5 years of experience in this game and I dare say I have quite a good (although not perfect) intuition regarding what are game mechanics and what are cheats. I know what Coconut video you are talking about. And those I always report with video evidence.

But I ask you again: Why should I report a Sky Wesker for example? The player only uses the mechanics and physics which are in the game and not some cheats (same as sky billy back in the day). Maybe you should spend some time watching advanced plays of different killers to understand what they do. So you know what to actually report and what not.

(Edit: example: if you blind a legion during a pallet vault, the killer can instantly M1 you without cooldown. When I saw this fist after 4k hrs I thought it was a cheater but it turned out to be a mechanic that was not widely known. The vaulting animation cancels the stun animation so the killer is able to instantly hit someone. I would have reported that killer without any reason if I didn't check it up.

Edit 2: I made a bug report after this nontheless (because you can't know everything even as Devs) and one of the mods told me, that it wasn't a bug. I also reported a Legion back in the early days who did the "moonwalk exploit" and they kindly told me that in their eyes it wasn't, although it clearly was, as survivors' mend timer would just run out while not in chase, leaving no counterplay, and they even fixed it half a year later for that exact reason.

So maybe, before just being the righteous paladin in this dark game check if what you saw is actually intended or not. And to save all of us some time, maybe also do a bug report, to check that as well and make the Devs aware of it.)

But if you want to open the game and be greeted with a temp ban massege one day, go ahead. I will not stop you. Some people have to learn the hard way.

And this is all I will say for that matter.

You have to do frame perfect inputs that wouldn't work through normal power usage.

You don't know how hug-tech or how Wesker's power works, don't you. Watch some videos of Alranican or Crohmbs, I will not waste time explaining it to you again.

I told you how it works.

I'm just not repeating it.

Why don't you write a bug report on Wesker's techs? Then you can confirm for yourself if they are actually bugs.