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You're joking if you think killers need buffs in this mode.

Thats appalling then that theyd allow such a change to happen if they are aware of that, people are literally getting harrased for being on the wrong server when its not even their fault.

Also have the devs been made aware that playing as some killers and against some killers on ping is pretty much unplayable? like playing singularity on ping for example is nearly impossible. It seems like a change no-one asked for and no one is enjoying so hopefully it is reverted.

Yea the que times are even worse i'd argue now because people just permantly dodge lobbies till they guess they are in a lobby of their own server, its completely unhelpful to the experience of either sea or oce survviors. Has anyone made any comments on this like the devs or anything?

Do you know how broken it would be if he could spawn 3 guards at once….

I thought we were discussing whether billy is S tier or not.

Agree you could, this is a very conservative placement of billy. To be honest billy spirit and blight are all very close in power level atm, i think that they each are better in some scenarios. People in here will tell you that Billy is A tier tho lol.

I agree with this. However at leats a comp player tier list accurately refelcts killers at the highest level, which is what is most interesting about them. However yes it would help to make lists for other players as well.

Comp players also do things to blight and spirit and nurse, does that make those killers not S tier? No way. Even if you don't think billy is stronger than blight or spirit he's way stronger than any A tier killer like artist or chucky by a mile.

But the problem is, if the Billy can see you around any loop this doesn't work at all if the billy has half a brain. If your on a loop he cannot see around its a 50/50 at best, some billies will know how to tilt this even more in their favour. And even if you dodge or crouch it, you'll take an m1 in the back before making…

Addons are considered but its not a direct comparison between best addons, all maps, Keyboard not controller

What's the effective counterplay against new billy? I don't see much other than dropping every pallet instantly. Once again i'd agree with you if this was old billy, but new billy is so much easier because he's wayu more forgiving, it doesn't matter if you miss multiple chainsaws anymore. Also if you buff a killers…

It's quite easy for a billy to predict or play around crouching, plus even if someone crouches you it doesn't matter that much because the cooldown is super negligable. Crouching is the only chance you have at a loop to not get hit everytime pretty much but it's not exactly reliable. Crouching a blight or a demo is alot…

The charge speed is reduced because in order to have the current speed billy has now, he used to have to run engravings addons which would significantly increase the charge speed and was a huge detriment. Now he gets base charge speed with engraving like effects in his base kit, excluding all the overdrive buffs which…

Mostly because of his chase potential. He can shred pallets akin to a bubba but having a ranged like dash attack is really good in alot of situations at getting hits other killers could only dream of, and it has a really big hitbox so its difficult to dodge or react to. However i'm not totally familliar with buffed bubba…

You're right it's not faster whilst he's revving, it should say faster whilst he's in cooldown because he moves faster after letting go of the chainsaw.

He got buffed, but more importantly he's basically a pyramid head without the tunneling ability but with a greater threat range and better choke and 3gen controlling imo.

I think your assuming that old billy is the same as new billy, they aren't remotely close. What your describing is old billy who if you knew what he could flick he was not strong in chase, he was way slower, way longer charging time, easier to read and had a massive limitation on his power usage. New billy has: -A shorter…

The hens video wasn't the best quality but theres plenty of others as well showcasing just how strong new billy is, he's very akin to blight powerwise except he can instadown which is insane for a killer of that tier. If a billy player is good it's extremely difficult to last that long in chase because not only do you not…

I'd argue the chucky changes were net buffs. His cooldown was nearly halved which is absolutely ridiculous, his cooldown is now quicker than spirits for an ability nearly as strong if not stronger in some situations. Not being able to vault over pallets doesn't matter too much because most pallets you can hit around as…

Trapper has good addons don't get me wrong, but without addons he's completely terrible, which is why both him and myers r in C tier. Other low tier killers also have insanely good addons like trapper as well so its not a trapper excusive thing. Vecna is very strong yes, but there's so many strong killers in the game these…

There's a video by Hen's I believe showcasing Billy vs Blight where they conclude that Billy is even stronger than blight (which i don't nescaserily agree with), but the point is new billy is incredibly incredibly stupidly strong. I'd suggest you watch it and see what you think. As for chucky vs artist don't get me wrong…

Just curious why do you think spirit isn't as good anymore? What's your thoughts behind that?

Smaller? You want the smallest map in the game to be even smaller?

Yeah so those killers like spirit, blight, billy, singularity, unkown, plague, hag, twins you just have to play exactly the same against as eachother definitely…

Yea clown could maybe go down hard to say atm i just think his chase is ridiculously better than any b tier killer. Dredge wouldn't be so bad if locker spawns were fixed. Simply add a maximum locker spawn distance when playing dredge like 16m or something. Dredge on midwhich for example is B - A tier forsure.

I would've placed slinger above huntress before the huntress buffs honestly, his value comes from being really good at the killer and being very consistent. It's alot easier to get better results on other ranged killers. What makes you think singularity is worse? Yea honestly clown could go to top of B+ which might be more…

Oh yea dont get me wrong i think the killer is super op and you definitely aren't safe at any loop if hes got iri graving in particular. The zoning capabilities are just ridiculous. I just think at the very highest level like against comp teams and stuff spirit has a very slight edge because the killer is more reliable,…

Myers has to spend and waste alot of time just to become a killer let alone be able to insta down for a little bit. Legion gets to injure people for free which is making them 1 shot anyway.

He's not that bad but I think every other killer is just better, back in the day actually he used to be considered an A tier killer, i think this showcases the power creep in the game tbh because yea he's not unplayable but every other killer is just better, like legion and ghostface are better at what myers does and…

Yea blight definitely either bottom of S or top of A+ afer the changes, we will see how much it impacts playing loops as to whether it makes him closer to artist or closer to billy/spirit. I would put billy above spirit however I think that at the very very top level against surviors who know how to play against both…

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I think people are still figuring out billy but hes got everything the other S tier killers have. The main thing that used to hold billy back was his chase wasn't very good and he was very difficult, both of these things now are basically not true anymore. His chase is now insanely strong because he can basicalyl hit you…

They can theortically down faster than nurse because victor moves at such a fast speed. At the start of the match you can find survviors incredibly quickly and injure everyone like instantly. Twins also doesnt care about exhasutions or you using distance to waste a bit of time because victor is just so fast. Only a few…

I can see that argument, Ultimately what makes artist and chucky better imo is they are more consistent and less map reliant, they will always have fast chases and always have alot of pressure. Plague can be a little less consistent and is slightly more counterable but still really really strong.

Yea the biggest problem is locker spawns being really bad, fix locker spawns and he'd go up a tier or so. He's really strong on maps like midwhich and probably like B to A tier on midwhich alone but other than that not great.

Hahahah don't you dare hold that remnant at my hook. On a serious note though, where would you place dredge?

If this was ptb right now i'd have twins above nurse tbh, and blight would b at the bottom of s tier below billy.

Because some people enjoy the competitive aspect of games? Comp dbd isn't hurting anyone i don't see why you can't just let people play it.

Yes thats true exhaustions should be the only speed boost perks. But killers are getting alot of speed boost perks and addons which you basically can't tell when they have and they arent healthy at all. It's going to be a much bigger problem on killer side for now. Because they havn't added any new speed boost perks to…

Other than background player which is an outlyer and op atm, theres no new speed boost perks for survivors and theres not many in general compared to the amount of speedboost options which killers get. It's definitely more problematic on the killer side atm since mft nerfs.

He said resets the power if you watched the video which is 6-10 seconds at most.

Why are the devs OBSESSED with speed boost perks and addons now. Devs please STOP they aren't healthy for the game at all and comes across as if it's lazy design.

Fair point that's true. Just think background player was currently a more problematic perk but oh well. I have a problem with them not touching new broken perks for a set period even when they are blatantly op, like considering how long its taken then to change ultimate weapon. If they can change adren why not change all…

Ok so when adrenaline's nerfed however what's next on the chopping block, are they more perks you think are too OP? Are people still gonna complain about it after the upcoming nerfs? I think the upcoming nerfs are rather fair.

Exactly, no one's denying it strong but if people want it nerfed i would like to know why they suddenly think its such an issue now and to explain their reasoning.

Ok but why Is it only problematic now? Adrenaline has literally been in the game since release and no one's ever complained about it.

Yea it is true to a degree that solo q players and even a general pub swf are either imcompetent or just playing for fun. That's typically why people like myself played alot of comp. I don't know how you fix this other than potentially improving matchmaking somehow, adding some sort of proper ranked mode or system would be…

That's the problem you literally need to blindfold yourself to make killer challenging sometimes. Doesn't matter how good you are at survivor doing a 4man our streak or even a 3man out streak is nearly impossible these days.

ONLY quality of life changes????? So when is pig actually better? When her ambush never ends how about that? Or how about head traps are guaranteed to kill survivors now that sounds pretty good. When does your constant call for buffs end? When will you actually achknlowedge buffs when they happen.