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I guess considering all the trouble the game already has with matchmaking I cant imagine that adding a new system that makes it way more complicated wouldn't cause problems.

Yes I don't "need" it and I run builds without it too, however it helps to narrow the gap between swf and solo que. Also why is it just accepted that killers get to see aura' s of all generators but the idea of windows being basekit is beyond the pale. As they nerf maps more and more I will just insist to the same degree…

Well I think that's kind of circular reasoning. I think that part of the reason so many suicide on hook is because the game can be so oppressive for survivors. Seriously though you guys act like I want killers to average 1 kill a game or something, like its such hyperbole. Did you think 2 v. 8 mode was terrible for killers…

I used to play killer and survivor about equally ( in fact when I started I only played killer.) I have just gradually played killer less over time because I tend to want to challenge myself more, and I don't think even you would argue that solo que survivor is not the harder role, would you? I started posting on these…

How do the stats suggest that? I have never heard anyone say that killer is harder than it has ever been. I mean it obviously isn't.

Okay well you keep putting words in my mouth saying I said things I never said so there is no point in debating it. If you want to have an honest discussion then I will but you are just twisting my words; not even twisting them actually just straight up making up things you say I said.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't even think killers should not be the "power role" and I am fine with the killer side having the higher winrate. I just think the kill rate has gotten a bit too high for the health of the game, just a bit, especially because the killer role is so much easier for new players than…

Why do killers need almost a 60% win rate defined as 3 kills or above. Just another example how killer has become the "easy mode" role in this game. Also how is 2 kills not a draw. Like 2 escapes is literally a draw for both sides if you are thinking of the survivor side as a team game. (Since I play solo que I consider if…

I don't have a swf to play with and I dont like playing with voice chat anyway unless it was good friends of mine but I dont have any irl friends that play this game. So I will continue to play solo que and use my lithe, deja vu, WoO and ether kindred, bond or detective's hunch so I can hopefully at least keep my escape…

No. Why would I take off meta perks, the killers arent going to. Have to wait for chaos shuffle for that. And as for the other stuff you are saying, your math is nonsense. How do killers need 62-65% winrate to get 2 kills. That average out to about 2.5 kills, well over 2 and halfway to 3. Also the one thing that would make…

Isn't b tier average? If not then what tier is average, seems c tier is below average.

Do you really think the mode is easier as survivor? I don't think you are being sincere. And why would survivors ever be satisfied when the statistics show the game is killer sided. Yeah you can say all you want killer is supposed to be the power role, but as long as the results are so lopsided survivors will keep…

Well I am a survivor main after I stopped playing killer because it has gotten so easy. I never use distortion though, like I think I have run it maybe twice ever. Even so I still think this change is a bad idea and will end up causing more problems than it solves. Maybe I am wrong, I hope so, but I don't think so. As for…

A spook n'jukes video on any subject will automatically make me take the opposite side. Insufferable self righteous tool. If I found out I shared an opinion with him on anything I would have to rethink my viewpoint

If the devs are going to make it so one specific perk is REQUIRED to even have any chance, then they need to make it basekit. Otherwise that just creates a new meta which Bhvr supposedly does not want. Also OoO is not even as good as many are saying on here, against a stealth killer it can even be an active detriment and…

The thing is basekit bt was very simple to implement. A ban list would cause so many problems with the matchmaking and such. And thats not even getting into the psychological effects. For example, if almost everyone bans a speciific killer then the people who bought that killer will get angry they cannot play as them. And…

This whole idea of having a "ban list" is just a fantasy. It could never actually work for obvious reasons.

I agree badham could be considered survivor sided, eyrie, garden of joy which you didnt even mention. Your other examples I don't really agree with especially the game, that map can be very killer sided depending on which killer and such.

Well i guess i want to know what your definition of weak is. No killer has under a 50% kill rate. So i am genuiely curious what do you think makes a "weak" killer.

The lowest the kill rate gets in highest mmr even among 4 person swfs is still only 50% at most. And to say most maps have near infinite loops is absurd. Maybe if you were playing 1 v. 1 against a new killer and didnt have to worry about teammates using resources you could last for awhile but still not near infinite.

Its exactly the opposite. How can you possibly say most maps are survivor sided? If they were the kill rates would not be so ridiculousy high.

I hope you're right but i'm worried that the distortion nerf combined with even more aura reading perks is going to make kill rates go up and the giving up problem skyrocket even more, and I don't even use distortion.

No the kill rate does not mean "nothing." In an asymmetrical game like this the only way to even tell which killers are strong or weak is how they actually perform in game. Nurse is just one of the hardest killers to really master but if you were too take those few players who have mastered her she would have by far the…

I find it funny Killer mains always say a killer is "weak" just based on their personal feeling. In an assymetrical game like this the only way to tell if a character is strong or weak is how they actually perform in game.

I agree about the base kit Kindred and I also think Woo should be basekit (with ability to turn it off if it annoys you.) I might not think this if Bhvr wasn't ruining every map to make it so there's almost nothing left to use to loop anyway. And for those saying "that takes skill out of the game" being a neet and having…

I think if they banned a lot of killers from it that might help, but that is also not likely to be a very popular solution.

From reading the forums lately I feel like OoO is becoming a very overrated perk. It's one of those perks that can be very useful once in awhile but it's just not worth taking because it can end up being a dead perk slot or even worse actively detrimental.

I will die on the hill that woo should be basekit (with ability to turn off). I have never heard a good argument against this except "waaah i cant get as many 4k's because new players actually have the ability to play the game."

I'm not claiming I'm amazing at the game or something, I always figured I was in the middle of mmr somewhere. I just never noticed distortion users as such a big issue. I mean I definitely have useless teammates but most of the time they don't even have distortion. I mean it's possible I just haven't been paying attention…

That's not entirely true. It will only match you with "everyone" if its taking too long to find people closer to your level because they prioritize speed of matchmaking.

Okay but your 5 gen comment was just weird. I mean even for someone like Quaddi a 5 gen chase is rare but you talk about it like its something that happens all the time.

Never mind I said that in a confusing way.

I was in a game with quaddi a while back too I don't assume that means I am as high mmr as them. 5 gen chases are extremely rare if the killer knows what they are doing at all.

Well I have a similar opinion at least on this one specific issue.

Have you ever even played Survivor? How common do you think 5 gen chases are?

No. Survivors are getting screwed over enough. Suck it up, when the kill rates go down to 50% then maybe killers will have something to complain about.

Why do I not have this issue with all these "distortion rats". I exclusively play solo que and I have never noticed this as a big issue. Is this a low mmr thing or something?

Frank n' weave is broken, I'm not explaining why again. It has been discussed on this forum many times. If you don't think so you are just wrong. Even Otz who tends to favor killers in his balance arguments says it needs a nerf. Bhvr obviously agrees as well as they do it have it on the roadmap (just dumb it's not until…

I just don't think they can really make the Lights Out mode work the way the want it to.

I think the distortion nerf combined with these new aura read perks is going to make the giving up problem even worse if they go live as is. Not saying that's right but just my prediction.

Ha yeah it sounds like they should design a new asym game to dethrone dbd

But it's bad for survivors too because it will encourage even more slugging for the 4k. It's just bad all around in every way. Did Bhvr ever actually give a reason for this change?

I guess my point is like where do you draw the line. Like yeah I mean if you hide that long that you actually die to the endgame that is absurd, but what if you hide for say, 10 minutes until the killer finds the other survivor and then you get hatch. It seems to me that, rather than being a reportable offense, it should…

Yes I have seen that quote before. There was also a quote from a mod in this forum though saying hiding is never reportable, (don't remember what thread it was in) so I just want clarification. Is there an actual real life example of anyone being banned or even warned for hiding in endgame? Yes I wish I could remember…

Y Yes this along with the finisiher mori need to not make it to live. Almost makes me think Bhvr. is suggesting these ridiculous changes to drive engagement and outrage.

Yes it is disgusting Bhvr. keeps pushing this change they KNOW the playerbase does not want. And just as I was starting to think Bhvr was actually starting to take things in the right direction this, along with a lot of other things in this update, prove that they are just as clueless as ever.

Yeah right. Killers have a power even without any perks. All survivors have is the maps Bhvr keeps making worse and worse so they can make sure the game is always tilted in the killers favor.

It can be good sometimes but its not worth taking a perk that has a very good chance to be a dead perk slot.

Because you have a very good chance of getting a stealth killer and then its a dead perk slot. I dont like taking perks I have to gamble if they will even have a use or not.

The most uselss fake solution that is always pushed by gaslighting killer mains